Update 2: Marks of Power

This definitely works for now. I was very pleased to log onto the forums and see this change.

Mepps, I would still recommend putting a post in work in progress. It allows us to 'Like' or 'Dislike' ideas brought up by the community or the dev team. Having an active discussion on this for future DLCs is all we are asking for.

There were two issues with the change. The first issue was setting back solo players. The second issue is that they made this change knowing that people were spending replays on getting MoF in order to get ahead. The first issue has been resolved but the second has not. And why shouldn't people still have a problem? They still lied to us. People still ran content under false pretenses due to their "bad timing". It's kinda like stealing $1000 and then agreeing to give $300 of it back. They still came out ahead while the victims of the change still suffered a loss.

The problem is that they do something wrong, take some of it back and then the apologists come to their defense. This is why they keep doing this sort of thing. And sadly I am at fault as well. I continue to support this game despite my opinions regarding the devs and their actions.

Thank you Meeps, Spytle and co....I really do appreciate the changes especially knowing you actually listen to our feedback and compromised.

But if notify us well in advance, they can't say that it's too late to change it back. They say that it's "bad timing" but I find it to be conveniently in their favour. Let's not be naive. They knew exactly how the community would react to this, which is exactly why they were able to write the code, approve it, and put it on the test server and yet somehow not able to write a simple post announcing it on the forums.

I agree and already posted my feelings on that in the other thread.

Fact is we need to move forward. They came up with a compromise and admitted to failing to communicate with the community. The only thing that I want is better communication moving forward and I'm sure they will attempt to do a better job in the future.

If someone spends replays, that's on them. Besides, why would you spend them not knowing when the new dlc is dropping. We knew they were doing this for two days. That's over 20 marks without using replays. Tomorrow will be over 30. If the dlc comes out next week, they would have been wasted anyway. People suffering losses were gambling to begin with.

No, people were spending replays under the impression that the next set of gear would be purchased with MoF. Yes, that is their choice to spend RB's. But they were lied to, plain and simple. I don't see how a reasonable and ethical person can defend the devs on this.

I hope so, but I'm not so sure. I simply find it hard to believe that people learn from mistakes that they profit from.

I still don't fully agree with this solution, but I definitely applaud you guys for listening to community feedback on this front. I personally would much prefer the Duos since they're actually somewhat fun but this is an acceptable compromise.

I happen to take them on their word when they say that the plans changed. I don't see the benefit in them lying. A reasonable and ethical person can defend them just fine if they aren't going on that major assumption.

mepps - Thank you for listening to our concerns and our feedback. Please spread my gratitude to everyone there. At least with this compromise I can get 5 marks of power daily. It will be a long haul but possible to get the full 94 gear in 3 months in between DLCs. I'll still sample DLC 11s content, at least the alerts, because I've been wanting to see the New Gods for a while and you guys did a great job on those raid instances.

I kind of like it as a compromise. I think I get what's going on. You can't outgear iconics, and solo missions aren't really supposed to be difficult. So, they transition nicely. It gives people a way to progress by sitting online for ten minutes at a time, without create balance. Very clever, really.

In the end, though, I'd like to have more options to play when I go online. Whatever the long term solution is, I don't want to see a repeat of Amazon Fury, where we had to play the same content over and over and over. Give us lots of stuff to do . I loved War of the Light I, because I had so many options of what to run.

Aside from people spending money on replay badges?

Damn, looks like i have to be driven to the brink of insanity once again playing as wonderwoman with her freakin shield QQ. Ah well i'll deal i suppose. Not the greatest compromise but i guess we should be lucky that our extensive pages of feedback werent ignored.
Only a certain number will get the irony of the line above

Again, why would people do that if they don't know when the next dlc drops. Spytle said the fury thing weeks ago. You wouldn't have needed a single replay badge to get to the cap. Replay badges are people's catch all for trying to understand the devs logic. Not every decision that they make is motivated by money. It's an assumption and I'm not going to buy into that pessimistic view.

This argument is about to go circular. We are going to have to agree to disagree.

Completely agree.

If this had been other people, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. But their past actions lead me to believe that this was done as a money grab. It's pretty clear that you still find them to be trustworthy. That's cool, I have no issues with that. But like you said, agree to disagree.

I like the small change, but I just dont want another type of Mark to get gear. this was a problem when the game first came out.

Allegiance > Triumph > Distinction > Momentum > Krypton > War > Reality > Fury > Power.(am I missing any PVE marks?)

Im not even gonna try to touch the PVP marks
and slowly they got rid of it but now its making a come. people are going to gear up fast if they want, its called replays. I was gonna use this DLC to get the Stupid Hive Defender style done with. Since its the only style in the Vending (Still no Oolong, or Traces in Time added... yet ). but at least there will be 2 different venders that will use both marks!

Ok, cool. It's a good compromise and this way AF can stay somewhat relevant. I like it

Exactly, i cant stand those 2 iconic solos. Now the dailies i will do sometimes because of boredom but i was really hoping MoP from the duos when i saw the OP. Im good with never running TD again as that alert is sooooo boring. But the duos are quick and fun.