Trolls Need to Stick together and Do Better

well that depends
I solo heal L+W and do about 1/4 to 1/3 the dmg of competent damadge dealers, all because of dmg healing.

As nature you can use DoT's and heal at the same time very effective since they changed the pheromone interaction between harvest and metabolism.

doesn't matter battle healing was made up by ppl of the community it isn't a role Healing is the role not battle tank/troll/heal.

so when there's ppl like TC trying to tell ppl not to do dmg as a troll then he is basically trying to control other ppls way of playing a game. When he has 0 control over that. Sure its annoying when there are ppl high tiered who appear to not know how to play their roles, but instead of coming to the forums, add them to ur friends and help them be better.

dont dog on them for being lesser then you at the role you play. Thats all Im trying to say. Because if you dont at least make a effort to help them then at the end of the day you have no room to complain IMO.

yeah i'm not sure why so many trolls are so focused on damage and crowd control. power should be the main focus.
1) crowd control isn't really needed anymore
2) if your focus is damage then go DPS

I love battle healing alerts and some instances that may require 1.5 healers. But in An alert if I can keep group with full health and do 2mill plus in damage (with a good dps) why not? Hybrid roles are great as long as the hybrid is keeping up with primary function. If main troll can solo troll why not have a 2nd troll put up good damage as long as he performs his duty as backup troll.

You're missing one major point. Get a few hits on the counter during cool down of instant power. Otherwise you as a troller will run out of power. And if a troller would like to use weapon mastery, suggest the brawling weapon. It's the quickest WM around and will give you a massive 6 hits of done right. That will work towards more power to you to share and really build supercharge. Just my few cents. I see too many battery trollers just walking around popping the instant power and run their power down. So annoying.

I'm curious what it is, as a second troll, you want me to STOP doing? When I find myself in this situation I use my power push as often as possible to help the main Troll build everyone' s power level up. I refrain from using my POT so I don't negate his/hers and I use my other attacks to debuff mobs and bosses so they become easier for everyone of the team to damage. I fire off my weapon constantly to help keep my own power level up giving the main troll less work to do and keeping my power high so I can continue to do all the tings I mentioned earlier. If the result of all of that is I do a lot of damage as long as the team is doing well who cares?

I know what you are referring to believe me. I have been on ALERTS with Tanks, Healer and DPS I play and after going through a ton of soda and finding myself constantly out of power no matter what efforts I take to try and conserve and rebuild myself and realize the MAIN/ONLY troll isn't even bothering to POT let alone anything else and is really just firing off attacks .. in other words being a DPS in TROLL's clothing.

Now if I am doing my JOB as a 1st or 2nd Troll and my DPS is embarrassing some DPS out there ......... learn how to do YOUR job. I solo and when I say solo I do not mean I am the only Troll on a team I mean I do solo missions where no one else is available to do damage BUT me. Unlike some trolls out there I refuse to slot VIT and DOM into armor that is designed to hold Health, Might, Precision etc. I want all those bonuses for having the right color mod in every slot so I am effective solo and on a team and I am NOT about to delay moving forward in CR and content played so I can obtain and slot a specific set of armor so I can play Ever ready Bunny to any team.

Way too many players out there in other roles that, as you mentioned, are doing nothing more than looking to impress on the score board and could care less how that affects the team. I have seen healers that do absolutely nothing but hit heal again and again and again to make those stats look good at the end.. My healer throws out shields , heals when needed and uses weapon attacks to help rebuild power so the troll can use more of its power to keep the tank and DPS going. Healing when everyone is at 100% health is nothing but a waste and a way to LOOK like you did something. Especially NOW with WM in place a DPS that never uses its weapon and is out of power 5 seconds after the group charges a mob has no clue how to play the game.

This next part applies to ALL players and all roles............ Learn to use everything at your disposal. Grab those healing barrels and smash them to help the entire team recover health and power. If you have one use your SUPPLY drop to do the same thing (if you don't WHY NOT?) And last but not least there is a thing in game called S O D A... carry a bunch of them and instead of standing like a lump waiting for the healer and troll to rescue you POP them if your health drops or you power is getting low. USE your W E A P O N to recover power .and news flash since WM began now you can do serious damage with that weapon anyway in some cases even more that by firing off attack powers. Despite what it seem a lot of players out there think A TROLL only has so much power to burn him or herself so the more you recover yourself the more there is available foe every member of the team and when everyone is fully powered things go much smoother.

Oh and here's one I like to add on ...... STOP trying to fly through content at the speed of light by shorting your team of support for more BURN. I was on a Necro a week or so ago and I was that 2nd troll. We got through the first boss battle and everything was going fine.. everyone had plenty of power, the healer was able to keep everyone's health up (because he always had power to do so) and it seemed like it was going to be a very easy raid. And then the HEALER announced that we didn't need two trolls and the best part was he then convinced the #1 troll ( I was a CR 104 while 31 was a CR 108) to switch to DPS leaving me to sol the rest of the raid. I struggled a bit but using every single trick in the book I managed to keep the team relatively good until the final battle and then who do I hear screaming in all caps POWER POWER? Yeah the same dumb HEALER that decided we didn't kill that first boss fast enough for him and then further screwed up by having the higher rated TROLL switch to Damage. We completed the raid but I managed to go through an entire stack of Sodas, used my Supply drop every time it was available and used exactly 2 of 6 attacks (my POT and my Power Push) the rest of the time I was just firing my weapon to TRY and keep my power up so I could supply the team.

I hear you. But when u have Dps trying to speed threw Zantana in L&W with no tactic it's going to fail no matter what without a backup troll. For me Zantan isnt that hard to beat when done right. But I know my place as a troller to not try out Dps. If we as a team didn't beat the raid at least I know I did my part of keeping ppl power.
I have been the supportive troll and I still now my roll as a troll.

That last raid I was in was just bad ppl didn't know what to do, but at the same time I don't blame them cause they seem very new to the raid, but I do want to see a troll give power and not act like rambo

My order of what a troll should do is...

1. Power

1. Debuffs and CC (Without annoying the tank)

1. Damage

That's right, all number 1. If you're not doing them all effectively at max potential then you're not a troll in my book.

Sounds like a challenge

Trolls were always intended to be the 3rd and 4th DPS, assuming the original 2222 set up is being used (no DPS stacking), hence the damage reduction for healers and tanks. No healer ever has or ever will out DPS me as a troll, I won't allow it, it's not even a close competition.

No off role has ever out dps me on any of my sorcery healers, when i spec battle role i do 50% of the damage a good dps do and out pace bad ones. My battle healer stats are 6300resto 5100might and 2500prec

If were talking full battle troll/heal specs then a troll can do ALOT more than 50% of a DPS' damage with their AMs, more like 60-75% if they know what their doing. Gadgets and Mental can anyway and i'm assuming Quantum will also when it get's it's AM. The only problem is, most trolls these days don't know how to or simply can't put out decent damage. I'v yet to even see another troll come close to the damage I put out never mind a healer or tank.

Crowd Control is always needed.

Not if the battle healer is celestial

Interestingly enough, if you look over at the Testing Forum, you'll notice that the recommended Dom for the new raids is 3000. (Considering the stats of the current gear, a T6 Controller would have to go very nearly full Dom to hit that when speccing/modding.)

Makes me wonder if we'll start to see a Vit Controller/Dom Controller setup in the future...

Then I suppose you could label me as an aggressive troller since I wish to ensure I am regenerating power for myself?

OOOOOOKAYYYYY. So ur regenerating power buy not giving out power? Sorry man. But I can regenerate power and give power in a few seconds.
If you can't do that then thats on you. Maybe you should dps.

You really missed my point by a long shot. That's cool if you just want to stand around and pop instant power and throw an occasional debuff hear and there without using your weapon and let your power bar run out... suit yourself. I regenerate power to ensure I have power to give. That's why I whip out weapon combos.

Hmmm u missed my point by along shot as well so ur response seemed off to me. But I can help you out tho. Now if you want to teach ppl about WM and regenerating your responding to the wrong person or thread.
Unlike you I'm sure that they're ppl like myself that know about combos. When your T6 this is a givin.

Understand this is about Trolls not giving power and dpsing. Is that more clear for you now?

I pug all the time so i dont know if you do, but if you do, then you understand if you play with 5-Dps and lets say 2 out of 5 like to spam power then the 2nd troll should help out.
No troll can solo troll pwr hoggers in a raid They can lie if they want I have successfully Trolled 5-1-1-1 in L&W like i said in my recent post.
But when you PUG its not successfull all the time in PUG. cause some ppl just need more power to be effective ( I dont know why but they do). This post is about supportive trolls ACTUALLY giving POWER and not doin DPSING!

But you can make a thread to help other trolls not knowing how to WM how to do combos tho. This is a call out to trolls that are not giving out power when they should. Hope this help

Regenerating power back via weapon combos is one of the important key's to being an effective controller. In power hungry groups, anything that gets you to anything higher than the first tier on regen quickly is going to work. These days it's BR WM. Spamming instant power heals only in long battles does not work. A controller, who has a greater capacity to regen via weapon conbos, who runs out of power because they don't regen along with cycling trinkets, supply drops, power supers, drinking soders, & double ticking is not performing his/her best.

By now, it should be known if you're among the 3 to constantly recieve the other controllers instant power heal, you are being carried. You are not independent. You increase you chance at activating the HT replenishing mod along with the advantage of the mini PoT from power regen ticks.

Taking advantage of all the mechanics & tools leaves room to regen. Instant power heals have like a 1.8 second cool down, you can afford 3 tiers with BR. The most annoying thing to run into in this game are controllers who do not know how to power themselves as well as an entire raid team.

Also, whether it's liked or not, every offensive move a controller makes controls and deals damage by default. Damage role is called Damage as in damager. The abbreviation of DPS is taken literally even though that comes from weapon damage. Damage is done by every role. For us, when we control, debuff, regen, and pop supers. We never had a damage penalty. Any controller who can self power themselves & the team while contributing in damage is a good controller.

It's ok for a player to embrace and chose one aspect of the role. But the controller role is the "jack of all trades." Battery players, or blue bar healers,is not the only way the role can be played. Just because some bump into players who could not pull off the other interpretations does not mean that they can't work.

I originally pointed out the OP made no suggestion the controller should put in some sort of effort to regenerate power. You're bouncing around the fact this causes unneeded damage out?

Not bouncing. Maybe your just not understanding as much as I'm not understanding you. I can't bounce around if I'm always saying giving power is a priority. That not bouncing around