The Punisher TV Series

Discussion in 'Joker’s Funhouse (Off Topic)' started by BigAl, Feb 25, 2015.

  1. BigAl Devoted Player

    Only one episode left, and this season makes me wish Marvel had more series on Netflix. The writers on Arrow could take a cue here. They did good with Frank, his journey was interesting, but the end game appears to be worth it. So much potential....
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  2. BigAl Devoted Player

    Done, and I must say, if he doesn't get his own, they will be missing out on a golden nugget.
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  3. Ashrode Well-Known Player

    It's like the CW with the Arrowverse, they are stuck with what the schedulers demand. Netflix want a show every six months, so their time and options are limited. Disney gave Netflix a financial incentive to make sure the five shows were produced, so getting Luke Cage, Iron Fist and The Defenders out will be their priority, otherwise they have to cough up $200 million for the Mouse. The Punisher will have to wait for a bit. He could always be show no. 6 of course...
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  4. BigAl Devoted Player

    I suspect he will wait on his own series, but I wouldn't be surprised if he popped in on a few others. ;)
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  5. Remander Steadfast Player

    Always been impressed with his acting. Haven't even gotten very far into season one yet, but can't wait to get to season two.
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  6. BigAl Devoted Player

    Ok, so who said he wouldn't get his own? Just sayin' ;)
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  7. aurorabenz07 Loyal Player

    Hey Everyone,
    Though it was already confirmed, Marvel and Netflix have secretly begun production of the solo Punisher series here in NY. At the way it's going it seems it will be also released in 2017. Netflix servers better be prepared.
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  8. VictoryMC98 Dedicated Player

    That sounds amazing.. sounds like 2017, Netflix and me..Can you Netflix and chill by one's self? Being older and married I just wondered!
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  9. montazumas revenge Devoted Player

    And Iron Fist March 2017
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  10. BigAl Devoted Player

  11. aurorabenz07 Loyal Player

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    Just wanted to update Marvel has announced some new cast members for upcoming Punisher series

    Daniel Webber (“11.22.63”) has been cast as Lewis Walcott, a young veteran who has had a difficult time re-assimilating into Civilian Society.

    Jason R. Moore (“A Lonely Place for Dying”) joins as Curtis Hoyle, a friend of Frank Castle’s and one of the few people who knows he is alive.

    Paul Schulze (“Nurse Jackie”) will play Rawlins, a high-ranking member of the CIA whose operations in Afghanistan intersect with Frank Castle.

    Jaime Ray Newman (“Bates Motel”) plays Sarah Lieberman, Micro’s wife (played by Ebon Moss-Bachrach) whose marriage has made her life far more complicated.

    Michael Nathanson (“The Knick,” “Wolf of Wall Street”) has been cast as Sam Stein, a Homeland agent who is challenged by his partnership with Dinah (Amber Rose Revah).
  12. DCUO Post Loyal Player

    Comic-Con poster

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  14. aurorabenz07 Loyal Player

    Hey Everyone
    Here are some production pics of Marvel's The Punisher and the teaser!
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  15. BigAl Devoted Player

  16. aurorabenz07 Loyal Player

    Hey Everyone
    So there are rumors flying around based on comments made by Senior Vice President of Creator and Content Development, C.B. Cebulski, during a comic convention:
    As such fans have begun speculating because with the recent reveal of Shohreh Aghdashloo's supprting role as a psychiatrist, fans are making the plausible leap that Marc Spector aka Moon Knight might be one of her patients.


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  17. BigAl Devoted Player

    That would be awesome. Moon Knight has always been a fav.
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  19. Ankh_Legacy Devoted Player

    That is the best use of music I've seen.

    In both how perfectly edited to all the scene's natural sounds and how dead on it was to use Metallica's "One".
  20. DCUO Post Loyal Player

    There's Never Going to Be a 'Right Time' for The Punisher TV Series

    Netflix and Marvel made the right decision a few weeks ago when the companies decided to cancel The Punisher panel at New York Comic Con in the wake of the October 1 shooting in Las Vegas that left 58 people dead and 489 others wounded. The timing would have been beyond offensive, which raises the question: When can they release their show about a superhero who shoots people?

    Together, the two companies put out a joint statement expressing their condolences to victims and their families and explained how they felt as if it wouldn’t have been “appropriate” to promote the show so soon after yet another US mass shooting. The statement didn’t draw so clear a line between The Punisher’s Frank Castle and shooter Stephen Paddock, but it wasn’t difficult to understand the logic at work.

    Though he’s most often framed as a complicated antihero who abides by a personal code that defines his sense of justice, the Punisher is Marvel’s equivalent to a mass shooter. While his depictions in various comic books, television shows, and movies make a point of elevating Castle’s sense of morality to gel with the idea of him being a hero, it’s impossible not to see how he’s also a celebration of the kind of gun culture that makes actual mass shootings possible.

    Stephen Paddock was not Frank Castle, and to suggest that Paddock was inspired by the character is unfair, but the two do exist in a larger conversation with one another that’s important to suss out. Like Paddock, at the end of the day the Punisher is just a man with a lot of guns (and gun knowledge). For all of the fan debates about whether Frank Castle can really be counted among Marvel’s heroes, he is an unequivocal lone wolf who periodically sets out to shoot people in defiance of a society that’s deemed his actions as harmful and dangerous to the public. That’s a critique that’s often leveled at the more modern, gritty interpretations of heroes who we see kill on screen all the time, but the Punisher is an infinitely easier character to imitate than Captain America or Thor. Every time we hear about a police department or a lone shooter or military personnel deciding to wear the Punisher logo, you have to wonder what part of the character’s identity they’re trying to engage with.

    That’s the sort of question The Punisher should investigate, because you have to consider the positives and negatives of a series that frames Frank Castle as a hero. Though Netflix’s superhero shows are some of the most interesting additions to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they all follow the pattern of propping up their central characters as damaged, yet stillsympathetic, admirable people. By the end of Jessica Jones or Daredevil, we’re made to understand that those characters have all made questionable decisions with their lives, but we’re also meant to see them as people who are doing the Right Thing™. That sort of framing works for characters who are, in the truest sense, heroic people with abilities that real people don’t have. But with someone like the Punisher, that kind of story ultimately ends up casting a man who is more or less a mass shooter in a positive light.

    This isn’t to say that there isn’t a space for a character like the Punisher in Marvel’s Cinematic Universe, but rather that the studio is always going to be in this difficult situation when it comes to Frank Castle unless it directly engages with the elements of the character that echo mass shootings. The sad truth of the matter is that there will be more shootings like the one in Vegas because we live in a country that refuses to implement proper gun regulation, and Frank Castle is the embodiment of the danger that a lack of gun regulation poses to society. The next time someone decides to leave their house and murder people using a semi-automatic weapon, Marvel and Netflix will once again be put in the difficult position of having to justify their decision to go forward with a series glorifying gun violence.

    Part of what made Jon Bernthal’s performance as Castle work so well in Daredevil’s second season was that as a supporting character, he was able to be framed as more of a complicated villain than an antihero. It became easier to understand Castle’s motivations as he revealed more of his backstory to Daredevil, but the show made a conscious effort to keep the tension tight between himself, the police, and the city’s other vigilantes. Not only did it give the character an added layer of emotional complexity, it also served as a constant reminder that Frank Castle isn’t the sort of character meant to be looked up to. He’s a dangerous, broken, cautionary tale of a man who’s lost everything.

    To make the Punisher the star of his own TV show is to valorize his character—and to ignore his potential as a symbol of and blueprint for an all too American kind of horrific violence. Those elements of his identity shouldn’t be erased; they should be pored over, deconstructed, and discussed in an open, honest way, as they were in Daredevil’s second season. Maybe Frank Castle’s solo TV series is looking to do the same—to establish him not as the MCU’s newest vigilante, but instead as a man who finds the ability to heal from his trauma without shooting up a city in the process.

    But that’s a big “maybe,” especially given that the character has failed to do so for more than 40 years of comics, and it still won’t change the fact that the Punisher will always primarily be a “hero” that fights those he deems evil by riddling them with bullets. That might sound like a harsh assessment, but if Marvel and Netflix feel like even discussing The Punisher would be in bad taste after a mass shooting, maybe that’s a sign they shouldn’t release it at all.

    Source: https://io9.gizmodo.com/theres-never-going-to-be-a-right-time-for-the-punisher-1819326835
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