The inevitable demise of the support roles.

no heal runs,no tank runs,solo heal runs,solo troll runs.....if you think its bad now....just wait.

with the upcoming mainframe upgrades there simply wont be much need for support roles.....any of them

why wont we need them you ask?.....well we simply have such a wide array of sodas,trinkets,pets and other gimmicks to do the job.

Let's take a look at some of them shall we.

1.The ever potent lime soda 3 min cooldown

2. supply drops,the boost 3 versions will be giving us a much larger insta heal/insta pow but will also continue to provide hot/pot for 12 seconds....in an 8 man raid thats 96 seconds of steady hot/pot and some instas. 3 min cool down

3.sidekicks boost 3 versions will taunts enemies,heal you,provide you power at a greater rate than boost 2 versions.....they will also cast a dmg shield on themselves and you 3 minute cool down

4.max damage mod.....now everything is a 60% dmg modifier......more burn faster kills less damage in.

5. weapon adapter Vs that can heal the entire group and give power once every sixty seconds.....version IVs can already hit you for over 1k pow.....imagine the upgrade.

6.fortified blocking V adds 41355 def and toughness.........this is 5.5 times more than version IV......that is simply some ridiculous dmg mitigation in the hands of a DPS

7. the new orbital strike is looking roughly 3 times stronger especially against boss mobs.

8. seasonal pet trinkets that can taunt,heal and/or giver pow to you and the group and they are on separate cooldown timers from accomplices

9. healing and trolling powersets can still give out limited and heals/pow in DPS stance.....I onvce put out 225k heals as a celestial DPS in a TD run using McB

10. regenerative healing mod,sure most DPS will opt for the max dmg mod instead.....but hey its there.

11. powerset awesome mechanics.....the new trend here seems to be self power regen at levels that would make a troller jealous.....sure they are self only and we are still a ways away from having all powersets AM completely revamped.....but its coming and its coming fast.

12. over the top defensive and offensive stats on gear.....i see DPS shouting they have 2600 precision......this is unbuffed.in 93 gear you can easily hit 7500 health/def as a DPS......thats getting really close to tank numbers lets be honest.


how long do you really think its going to be before you 8 DPS and their endless bag of tricks running threw the raids and record speeds.

maybe it wont be 8 DPS all the time....im sure they will keep a few tanks under the stairs in the basement for whenever they want to have those nostalgic "old school DCUO" moments when they used to need one.

until T7. Support roles will be needed again then.

If support roles really aren't needed in the near future, then the Devs should allow all the powers to DPS so people can still get into groups.

Heard that with t6 raids, maybe in the beginning they will use us support roles to test the raid, nail it down once or twice then start the process of gettin more dps less support. Honestly which each dlc I always hear "t4 will bring support roles, t5 will bring support roles ( ppl 5 manning dox and 3 maning nex lol)" then t6 alert came after few days ppl came here and complained supporters being taking out....yet again ppl said wait till t6 raids. So now it begins to will bring em? Meh I'll see threads like this till t100 lol if the game last that long

@ OP Dps is a DEFAULT, NOT A ROLE. Just like when you buy a new T.V MOST PPL adjust their TV's settings so it can play to it's optimal performance. So playing a support role is the same thing playing with your powers to get optimal performance. NO ONE likes running default on anything or at least shouldn't. So I don't see the devs getting rid of support roles any time soon especially when they got 3 new SUPPORT ROLE powers coming. for Tank, healer, and Controller. Dps is ,as always a after thought. I tell you what go run lockdown with 8 dpses with that set up you are trying to pitch with supply drops and soders and see what what happens.

what if i told you....dps is a role....dum dum duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum.

That why I started off by saying dps is a default not a role. TO EDUCATE

Uh DPS is a role. lol If it wasn't a role then they wouldn't be doing anything to contribute to completing the instance.

What if I say it's a...Stance?

I still love a 1-1-1-1 setup alert. I don't know if ill ever see it again

Support roles will always be.

Here we go again. This'll be fun

Indeed feenicks, indeed

Dude, DPS is a role. Like, its a 4-role system.

So... People are being kicked for running in support stance now? Or is this just doom and gloom over the reality of pug groups trying to cram as many DPS stance players as possible into a group just because they are impatient and think that it will speed things up?(Thus creating a vicious cycle of "everyone" playing DPS because it's so hard to find a group that will take a second member of a support roll because everyone plays DPS and they don't want to wait for a second of said support roll and firmly believe that having more DPS=more burn and faster runs)

Well if support roles are doomed as the OP says, I'll just stick to PvP. All roles are still needed there, especially after the update.

I feel as though its the latter as that happens on a daily basis. But to be kicked just because you play a support role? Thats news to me.
I do wonder where people come across these insanely bad pugs though, like they're so bad it almost seems like theyre shouting "X role looking for ****ty group inv!" I mean every pug i've been in be it trolling or dpsing, i havent quite encountered the horror pugs

If this was the case, Max Damage would exclusively be a support role mod rather than a DPS mod. It would encourage running with more 2-2-2-2 groups.

Thats why i usually either run with leaguemates or friends and form a group, or B Que up with role optional and join instance in progress off. That way, you're guaranteed that 1-1-1-1 unless a player decides to switch roles mid game. Now that i think about it, me quelling up with role optional off is probably part of the reason i dont run into these terrible pugs. I mean sure, the que times can span upwards of 15-20 minutes, but unless you're pressed for time or are in a rush for some reason, i find quelling up like that is much more pleasant and produces better results overall, imo of course

I never see trolls in pvp anymore. But when i did they never really trolled anyway, just took advantage of the gear to have power over healers.

Its all Ice tanks and Nature healers in pvp nowadays it seems