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If burst powers are superior to there types of dps, why give the burst power more burst?
Why weren't the parser test set around 3 emp loadout? Literally every gadget dps i've seen is using it for entire raids and alerts.

You need to be more specific. Burst in regards to the whole powerset or burst in regards to the AM?

For the AM, that's due to set up time and total damage. Many are still unaware that fastest and biggest hits will always register more damage on the scorecard making them practical in content. With AMs, that includes short cuts. Any abilities or mechanics with long set up times and/or damage over time options always lack behind. You see with with Intimidation use vs Distract use in raid content. In content you start to overpower, a rapid burst option beats out intimidation DoT use.

Distract is one self explanatory option. Stealth, with it's 30 second cooldown and 2nd tray option allows for more variation and other damage abilities.

Tunso has already mentioned why. By placing Battle Display in the Stealth tray, there is still a risk of losing Battle Awareness. He's mentioned that there is a possibility of losing 30 seconds of damage, and even 60 seconds of damage if a player fails to acquire Battle Awareness the second time in a raid. You cannot ignore that. If a player is ignoring objectives and revives but is aware of boss threats and tells, they are more likely to have Battle Display.

If there is a second controller, you are more likely to carry on without Battle Display. If the gadget user is drinking soders, asking the solo controller for a power supercharge, jumping/rolling to their and other players supply drops they are more likely to sustain AM damage. If they are aggressive and knowledgeable, they can cast abilities while jumping and/or lunging to their next targets to get BD up. Mobility is also important and only experienced players are going to understand that.

You said you've seen gadget dps use it. I always read and hear from players who don't actually use it but witness it. Have you gadget DPS'd with it in BN? BD elite? SM higher rounds?


Ultimately, whatever the players who aren't using it say it's doing, or even players who are using it but are throwing away parsers when they test or are basing their testing on instance runs (which just makes them lose all creditably due to not understanding various factors), even with EMP III use (Stealth, Distract, 3PIs) Gadget's AM is still within the -/+5% damage target range. As I've said before, using something like Bunker Buster will boost it slightly over. These numbers aren't just based off one 3 or 5 minute parsers.

I continue to talk with players who have concerns over it and it's literally all the predictable responses. Most of it continues to be a failure in understanding out damage registers on the scorecard (which is why anything burst related looks op) and basing their tests strictly off instance runs.

Yea i have done it in BDR and DPR, not BN yet. I don't like using it because i become the worse kind of dps when i do. Imo either gadgets should be balanced around the 3 emp loadout or BA needs to be taken out of stealth.
Instances are the true test to balance, not the sparring targets. +5% for a power that is already a burst class is a lot.

Instances are not the true test to balance. Again, there are numerous factors that come into play when just basing balance strictly off instances.

Balance comes from a mixture of testing numbers on paper (sparring targets) and practicality (instances). That's why Gadgets does well. +/-5% is the damage range Tunso is working with. If damage ranges are understood, then those numbers make sense. Your opinion is fine but I find many players don't know how to test and determine balance. This applies to players who have youtube popularity, players in popular leagues, or players who always top dps on the scorecard in pugs.

Are you saying the 3 emp and the 2 emp loadout is hitting for the same numbers, or the 2 emp loadout is hitting less than the Tunso test? On my gadget toon at 126 i'm hitting from 35k to 50k on the 3 target sparring target. Mostly 40-45k, and +5%;would be around 37000, not 40-45k. Right now on live gadgets is head and shoulders over the other powers, even ice using the broken sc is not keeping up with gadgets. I bet gadgets recieved a bump in population since the last update.

EMP II is hitting around 35,500 average. EMP III hits around 36 to 37,000 average.

You are most certainly not following the requirements for testing if you are averaging 50k, 40k or 45k.

I suggest you reread how to perform the tests.

You're not hitting just 36-37k with 3 emps. My toon is probably lower than the requirements because i was removing the shoulders and feat from my 147 toon and testing. No sodas or thrinkets. And i'm using gg, fg, and cryo as the setup

Edit: let's just gor argument sake the 3 emp numbers are 36-37k, you think that's balanced for a burst power do even more damage?

You do not understand how to perform the test. Reread the requirements and how to calculate.

We can test and retest until we are blue in the face, but on live gadgets is stronger than the other balanced powers, and it's because of the 3 emp loadout which was balanced around. If what you're saying is true, it shouldn't be a problem. An easy fix would be just take BA out of stealth

I've already explained why it isn't a problem and why some players (who do not know how to test) are incorrect. If one cannot perform the tests with the proper steps, it goes without saying that whatever is said is discredited.

You keep bringing up testing, i gave you my test numbers. On live gadgets is op. Right now imo you're just trying not to get it fix for whatever reason. If 3 emp and 2 emp is doing basically the same damage, why are you so against taking BA out of stealth?

It isn't op and nothing about it needs fixing.

I never said it does the same damage. Especially today. If anything I always mention same damage bracket, or range. That does not mean the same number. Same means identical.

I've been more than lenient with you. You did the test wrong. All you did was do the rotation and read the dps on the parsers. You didn't even get a large sample and set of numerous samples or run the numbers to get average. You're telling me you hit for 50k and then saying that's over Tunso's goal. Dude, you performed one parser that hit that high. You do not do this testing based on one, 2 or 3 parsers that for that amount. You do 10 or more minutes of 10 second parsers with the correct mods (no blast adapter), sp, and might if you want good tests. Then add up the totals for the 10 second parsers and divide by the amount you have.

Telling me 50k,40k,45k, is what you get and that is what's over the goal is ridiculous. I get those amounts. I've gotten as high as 62k dps. But when you total the numbers and get your average the mark is reached. Unless of course BB, which is not consecutively used, is used which I've already mentioned puts it slightly above the 5% range.

I did the test more than once, don't know where you pulled that from. I hit 40-45k consistently over testing. Anyone on live who dps no gadgets is op right now. I'm telling you live, and you bringing up test numbers. Since most of the gadget dps are running a 3 emp loadout over entire instances, that should be what the dps is balanced around. I find it funny that your 2 emp loadout hit for 35500 on the button, since we getting into same vs identical

It might be time for you to go somewheve else. You're completely confused.

Your tests are disqualified. You do not know how to perform the tests.

You can't even perform EMP III in elite content from what you've said. At this point you're just complaining because everyone else is.

35,500 + 5% = 37,275.

I haven't tried because i have 15 toons, but i don't see why i couldn't. On live gadgets is op. I don't care about the test server.

Very good.

Is anyone else having a problem with losing BA when using BB to exit stealth? I hit stealth immediately after performing a boosted EMP, immediately hitting BB and spam EMP until the power tray changes and takes the command. At least half of the time I lose BA. Then controllers yell at me.

I'm playing on the PS4.

I haven't ran into that issue and I do the same thing. I actually put BB in stealth tray in the same spot as my EMP in normal damage tray as I spam button pressing it. So I'm not sure.