Stats Revamp 1.7 - Celestial

Fatal Star · Jul 13, 2017

FlreMint said: ↑

“Now the solution”

Don't factor CC into the equation. That's the solution

FlreMint · Jul 13, 2017

Fatal Star said: ↑

“Don't factor CC into the equation. That's the solution ”

CCs are part of what needs to be balanced... damage damage damage, thats what seems to be most important to most of us... myself included, but damage is not everything a power is about... power cost, cooldown, animation time, clip time, mobility, area of effect, burst or DoT, PIs... I can go on... there are so many things to considerate, and of course, crowd control effects are one of them. if you had to choose between two identical powers, the only difference being that one of them has a CC effect and the othe one doesn´t, you, and everyone else will choose the one with the CC, these powers would not be balanced, there would be a need to tweak something else to achieve power balance, not necesarily the damage though, the one with the CC can just have a higher power cost, a longer cooldown...

'To obtain, something of equal value must be lost'

FireMint

Ed...ward...

BumblingB · Jul 13, 2017

FlreMint said: ↑

“CCs are part of what needs to be balanced... damage damage damage, thats what seems to be most important to most of us... myself included, but damage is not everything a power is about... power cost, cooldown, animation time, clip time, mobility, area of effect, burst or DoT, PIs... I can go on... there are so many things to considerate, and of course, crowd control effects are one of them. if you had to choose between two identical powers, the only difference being that one of them has a CC effect and the othe one doesn´t, you, and everyone else will choose the one with the CC, these powers would not be balanced, there would be a need to tweak something else to achieve power balance, not necesarily the damage though, the one with the CC can just have a higher power cost, a longer cooldown...

'To obtain, something of equal value must be lost'

FireMint

Ed...ward...”

This isn't alchemy here. The problem comes from the fact they already nerfed CC to a static 6 second rule for controllers. In solos and duos, CC should be very important and shouldn't factor damage, as they are necessary to keep you alive since you don't have a tank or controller stunning things.

CC should not be a factor for damage because outside of a DUO and SOLO you wouldn't be able to control anything unless you are a controller and tank. What should be looked at is how to not to CC when there is a willpower check. If the instance requires 1000 dom, you should have to have 1000 dom to CC the NPC. Things like harvest on live ignore this.

FlreMint · Jul 13, 2017

BumblingB said: ↑

“This isn't alchemy here. The problem comes from the fact they already nerfed CC to a static 6 second rule for controllers. In solos and duos, CC should be very important and shouldn't factor damage, as they are necessary to keep you alive since you don't have a tank or controller stunning things.

CC should not be a factor for damage because outside of a DUO and SOLO you wouldn't be able to control anything unless you are a controller and tank. What should be looked at is how to not to CC when there is a willpower check. If the instance requires 1000 dom, you should have to have 1000 dom to CC the NPC. Things like harvest on live ignore this.”

I agree with you, also...

CC should be a factor for damage because inside solos DUOS and SOLOS you would be able stun etc etc...

Solos and duos are part of the game as well are they not? So CC should be a factor in deed. But wait... raids and alerts are also part of this game... so what can we do? this is impossible to balance, we need to debate wether solos & duos or alerts & raids are most important and delete the other, I personally prefer alerts and raids so I will vote to eliminate all solo and duo content in the game...

A bit extremist right? good news is, there is a solution

FlreMint said: ↑

“FireMint out of nowhere

if you have 2 powers with the same damage output, 1 does CC, one does not CC, which would you chose?
CC should be a factor in the powers damage.

The inconsistency is that DPS stuns are normally only effective in solos and duos, not in alers or raids, so when talking alerts or raids: if you have 2 powers that exclusively do damage, the only difference being that one power has a higher damage output than the other, the one with lowest damage output becomes obsolete. We got a problem here.

Now the solution

If the player dominance is lower than required dominance to stun on a certain instance, when using a power with a CC effect, there is no CC but, instead, a bonus 'resistance; damage. The description could look like this:

Admonish:
Judicially deal enemies divine justice, damaging and knocking them down. Extra damage will be dealt to enemies that resist the knockdown effect.

~voila

I know nothing about celestial, so I will rarely wander in this thread... just dropping my humble suggestion

I think it would be great if this condition applied to every power with a CC effect in DCUO.

As always, stay fresh my friends

FireMint”

This is my suggestion, I would like to know what you think about it, why would it not work?

note: glad you got the FMA reference

I am the bone of my sword

FireMint