So about the resources...

Actually avg in Germany is about 57k (US)
They pay badly there and still have 5.5% extra taxes.

Lived there for 3 years. You make more being IT support on average than game designer.

Keep in mind Germany has the economic pull of a Southern US

This factors in to the equation as well.

Making money is the priority of EVERY business, but we are not talking about money so please stop trying to derail the thread.

I wasn't.
My point was since DBG has taken over, can you give a valid point that wasn't driven by $$$

Many things the community has come up with has been morphed and stretched into how can the devs bilk more $$$. I have many examples, do you?

And I love this game, but let's be real

DBG didn't "take over". Columbus Nova bought SOE from Sony and renamed it DBG. And as I said before, any business will make money where they can.

Now back to the original subject of this thread which I believe was about certain areas of the game are getting upgrades and fixes while others are not. Do you have anything to add to the conversation other than money grab/paywall melodrama?

No, I think Lt Skymaster said enough. Why spend the time on updating icons when many basic QOL things have been neglected?

Well icons are art department, I don't think they have anything to do with QOL. The LO menu got updated for the stats revamp, which I believe is also art department. Anything QOL or bugs is under programmers and they have their hands full, which explains the last GU debacle.

Interesting cause a league mate of mine said the same thing today. "We got a new seed pod icon, do we really NEED this?" Everyone was pretty much quiet after that lol. Yea broker lag needs a fix. The invisible player one is the bug that irks me the most. Been around for a year now.

maybe I need to get into programming........and move country....

I just had to quote because im not sure, if you think that is high or low salary?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage Here are some facts.
Honestly im not surprised by either answer. This is internet after all. Place where everyone has 8 inch+.

I think any salary above 60k € a year is a good salary but it seems compared to US u get a lot less here for the same work.

They laid off a lot of people when they were bought out, they won't hire any more.

OK, i understand now.
How about purchasing power for each country? Aka how much you can get with same money.
It is possible that U.S is cheaper still. I dont have any facts. JUst wondering.

They did hire new people. Not enough clearly.

Compared to?

Everything. I found link http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Cost-of-living/Local-purchasing-power

When we talk about resources, keep in mind this is a game that will be going on its 4th combat system when stats matters is implemented.

They also gave us GU 47 only to fully roll it back.

One might ask how much time and money would they have saved had they just done it right the first time. Limited resources, in some cases, is a problem that can be self inflicted.

First of all, graphic artists do not program. They are artist that draw all day.

Secondly, the programmers are tied up working the revamp and it's a totally different department.


Do you know who this guy is?

How about the guy that did the art & story line for this.


Same guy but for Marvel.


These guys don't/didn't get paid to program or print the comic books.
They get paid to make art and that is what they are doing.

Also look at the TC's and what's in them.
What are people buying them for?
The different styles, collections for styles and feats but mostly for the styles.
Who is making the styles?
The artists............ DCUO's graphic artists are doing their job and paying there own way.
These guys are the ones making the money via the TC's not the programmers.
Whether it's comics or games like DCUO. It all boils down to the art and creativity.


I can log on everyday and play. Can you log on every day and play the game or is the game so broken for you that it's unplayable?

Yeah the bugs and the laggy broker suck for the most part but there are not any game breaking issues.
Would you want painters framing your house or would you rather have carpenters framing your house?

All of THIS!

Pretty much this^

People don't think I understand programing and art departments are different, but I do. What I'm saying is if there is a person getting paid to do that, how about insted that money is used in other areas.

Or even then if we're using that money in the same department why isn't it used for more important art related that needs updating.