Seasonal is either...

I remember the first summer seasonal, we all ran it in 2000 whatever teir gear, that's about relevant to the gear that lower levels today would run in

SS with quantum tunnel i can almost get all 3 Ive tried it with league mates who let me do it and i was this/close

Honestly i can say i could care less who i finish it with. Idc if they are cr 167 or level 23. I find the mindset u described above to be extremely weird. And if anyone actually has that mindset i think its time for a trip to the brain doctor

I had to stop reading right there. Do you even remember what the subject matter you're typing about is? This is concerning a SEASONAL !! Not some super-extreme-elite-fight to the death-rolling for elsupremo piece of armor content! It's SEASONAL !! It's supposed to be light and fast and FUN for EVERYONE!! Even Mepps has said this repeatedly in the past.

And we wonder why SO MANY lower level players just disappear from this game. Wow.

I know those are low level people in that vid but so many mistakes. Starting with the healer hitting the boss 1st when there is a tank. And the dps POV running around to turrets and not attacking the adds. See how many adds end up in there? A healer can easily heal the dmg people take from the turrets even at low level. They wont be able to heal thru 9 adds and the boss beating on players. This is the problem i stated in my post on 1st page. Ive seen high cr players doing this. U only need 2 dps even and if they just attack doing their AM or even WM those adds die quickly then burn the boss. Again its players making it harder then it really is. Those people in the vid are low level and maybe never run it before so its understandable. But high cr people? No. Fail.

After the 1st wipe u see the healer do it again. And the tank wasnt even in the room. #common sense Also i didnt really see anyone pick up and use the health barrels. With 4 dps that can help a lot.

Isnt that the problem tho? That most level 10s dont know wth they are doing? Im not sure if u were saying nerf it or make it so only level 30s can queue for it. Imo the latter is how it should be. Can i ask which u want? Sorry just been skimming thru the thread so might have missed some stuff.

What I'm saying is that some sort of adjustment needs to be made.
I agree that low levels should learn mechanics...but if the average life expectancy of the group is 10 to 15 seconds...mechanics don't make a lick of difference. People say activate the turrets... People say burn OM and adds then activate triggers...
If you can't activate turrets because one add can cut you down in seconds the moment you touch one (and its never just one), and trying to burn adds but level 10 damage out (even buffed) is only enough time to burn them halfway (if group config is 4 dps)before wave two arrives and instakills anyone still alive...what time is there to learn anything other than how to hit triangle to flee like a seasoned veteran at wiping?

I see your point. Again i wouldnt even bother with turrets but thats just me. I would also grab the health barrel and break it on OM to start. Then go get the next barrel and break it on him. If u get the aggro then maybe u just have to block to regen health and let the barrel give u health too while the other people burn him and the adds down. Not saying this would work 100% of the time for every group. Just thinking about how i would do it. I have a low level toon, level 10. Gonna see if i can get some league mates and run it on all low toons. I know having 3 other people u know helps. But i cant try to get 3 other low level by the queue. I will report back soon.

At level 10 to 15...WHAT am? WHAT wm?
Most players at that level have 5, maybe 6 powers available and they are all basic. Maybe enough sp to get a few weapon combos and one or two stat increases of +9...
Remember these are not the same as clamped toons with all access to perks from sp.

There are now numerous threads about this problem. And still nothing from the devs but the sound of crickets. We need either something done/affirmation of it being addressed...or some sort of clarification as to why the seasonal is the way it is.

Ok im gonna call BS on people saying its too hard. Just ran it with me as level 11, a 18, 20 and a level 14. We finished in 3mins. No1 died. All dps. Broke the 2 barrels on the boss and just dpsed him and the adds down. This event is so easy and after seeing what we just did if others cant do the same thing then either they are completely clueless or just bad players or both. All 4 of us used a soda too cause our health dipped. Time on scorecard when it popped was 3:01. No league buffs also because our low level toons are not in any leagues. And my toon is in a league but only holding a name. Im the only 1 in the league. Jito is in rage cry so might of had league buffs so i was mistaken there, just found that out and editing. Wizard and nebula have no league tho.

U can wavedox the names if ya want. Nebula is actually spelled nebuia. And see the level and sp and all that. Forgot to get a screenshot of the group with the levels nstuff. But here is the scorecard. Also yea we knew what we were doing. But isnt that the point of the game? At least part of the point. To figure things out and learn your character? I know its a seasonal. I just didnt see where anything was too hard with all under level 30 people. If u get paired with someone who doesnt pay attention or doesnt listen then leave and requeue. I do that now on my 160+ toons when i get people like that. Ignore, leave, requeue in that order.

And i was talking about higher players when saying WM or AM. Sorry should of made that clearer.

Point and case...the group was not random, as you know these players, nor was it comprised of 12 (+/- 2).
My original posts dealt with queing into it along with others who haven't played that long. Who have likely never run 4player content... The way the seasonal is right now is not fair to them.
Yes, I can queue with a built group of friends or league mates... That's how I have to do it in order to complete the instance on my alts...I am speaking out for those who don't have a voice. Newbies are probably unaware that this forum even exists. It is for them...because make no mistake; every time they queue they end up grouped with each other 9 out of 10 times. The seasonal is fine by my own standards. But I am stepping outside of myself and my own capabilities and expectations to plead their case. If they need to learn, fine. Help me to help them. Don't just throw them to the wolves and condemn them because they haven't yet. This seasonal isn't giving them the chance. Yes, they are aggravating. But they are new. And the fact is...the game needs them. If this seasonal is their introduction to running 4 man content in their future, they are likely to give up on the game and not come back.

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I've actually heard people say things to that effect on mic, pretty much admitting to that mindset. It is appalling. It is.

Ok story straight: your level 20 success story with a reply to a reply in the middle of a thread dealing with level 12 +/-2 new player issues...got it.
You also missed the part where I stated that after five years and two toons over 166 and well past the 200 sp mark...I'm not a noob that doesn't know any better.
If you're going to join a conversation late with an invalid opinion, please read ALL of the posts within. Crow tastes horrible. I know.

And you once more have demonstrated either your inability to read through the entirety of a thread or your obstinate and obtuse 'i am right no matter what you say' point of view. I have no trouble running on leveled toons. The difficulty is running on a level 12 alt random queued into the seasonal with others of that level who are new to the game. I am truly sorry that it is such a tremendous strain on your brain cell to comprehend that concept, but please keep your C out from between A & B until you have read through and somehow develop an understanding of what the point of my replies in this thread are meant to convey. Thank you. Class dismissed.

i was told to focus on turrets and not try to pew pew my way through it. it is very confusing getting advice from people in this game since everyone gives different advice.

i see that was already covered since you responded to me. i will try it with your strategy and see if i fare better.

and it is very frustrating how often people start the fight when the entire group is not together. there is often one player back at the beginning repairing gear which is another odd thing to note since most seasonals do not have the repair option.

Very well said. Thanks for posting.

Leave it as is. The game has been dumbed down for people who think they should have everything without putting in the time and effort. I played for years on PlayStation and never complained about anything being hard. All I see on forums are people whining about not getting a rare item or not being able to complete something hard. Items should be rare and top content should be hard or there's no point in playing.

so seasonal events are top content? am i understanding your opinion correctly?

they have adjusted the difficulty in the past. maybe they are gathering data to see what happens if they do not adjust it.