Ridiculous crafting system.

Wasn't this system put in place in response to the best gear in vendor requests? Hey guys.. we're going to let u craft the best gear in vendor, only u won't be able to because we won't be giving u enough scraps to do so lol.. awesome!

In another thread Mepps stated that the best gear is in the vendor, which is correct. The normal rare gear is in the vendor in the form of a plan. With the plan a player can use scraps and matter enhancer to create the gear. That thread discussion was around how crazy it is to earn scraps. And I agree that creating gear becomes a challenge.

As I thought about this I always wanted best gear in vendor and having a higher cost to acquire the gear does not bother me one bit. In fact, I think it is a great idea, but the issue around best gear right now is scraps, it takes forever to get them.

While grabbing my lunch I thought of a way to resolve this issue.

1 MoV = 100 Scraps.

So you can get the gear in the raid and be lucky or spend MoV on Scraps, Matter enhancers, and the Plan and make the gear or buy the straight vendor gear.

Instead of players needing to grind for gear and hope they get enough scraps to make the gear, we use MoV.

Now let's look at the cost of making gear month 1, 2, and 3.

Month 1 = 400 Scraps, plan cost, and matter enhancer cost.
Month 2 = 800 Scraps, plan cost and matter enhancer cost.
Month 3 = 1200 Scarps, plan cost, and matter enhancer cost.

I think scrap value for gear should be flat given it would be MoV purchase vs. depending on RNG of scraps from gear.

Devs, can you look into this fix as it would allow players to make gear in a reasonable time (better than 6-8 weeks per a piece).

I think we should be able to make about 1-2 pieces a week depending upon the piece of gear.

If this change is implemented, it would satisfy my request of best gear in vendor.

I would still like to create elite gear or upgrade gear to elite. Maybe work on that as well.

after 6 months of gathering scraps to only be able to craft one measily ring that gets replaced before you can even craft it, I refuse to take part in this worthless, horrible system any longer.


I deleted every one of my scraps and i am much happier.

The system we have now does stink. I agree..But what if you as a player can get your scraps by buying them instead of relying on luck to get as many as you need. This way you are not relying on luck, instead it is based on how much content you are willing to run that awards you marks. This setup is just like the normal lower item level vendor gear. The difference is you have to pay more in marks to make the rare gear. That seems more than fair.

Just throw the best gear in vendor thats purchasable with marks and none of that other crap like T4 days. Its really that simple. Its amazing how something that the community has been asking for that can change the way we look at this game (in a postive way) and CAN be done gets overlooked. Putting the ACTUAL gear in the vendor would give the community one less thing to complain about just saying.

That is the beauty of it. The gear is in the vendor by the way of a plan and matter enhancer, the problem with making the gear right now is the scrap, getting them specifically. Also, many players complain we do not us the RnD enough. This is a fine balance between that and removes the issue of scraps.

The question is will the devs consider this type of adjustment to the RnD for players.

I agree with most things in this thread. The crafting system is a joke. I hate RNG. I hate sending replays not getting drops having marks for gear that isn't even close to being the best. It's not relevant for 3 months. You're implying we get every single piece day one. Honest to god I spent more replays when vendor gear was basically the best. Same IL as raid gear slightly better stats and a diff style. Go back to that. I dislike monthly content. Just everything in this thread is so right on.

This game you want to feel the strongest. We may not need the best gear to beat content but that means nothing to alot of players. What most really care about is making your toon the strongest possible. If I'm spending real money I want to feel like that ability is in my control not in the hand of luck and RNG and a ridiculous crafting system. I spend money get nothing this guy spends nothing gets gear. You know what that makes me want to do? Keep my money and spend it on another game.

Not how the game currently is with where we can get Marks.

Simply put, I and many others are just NOT into running Raids every day. And no one wants to run anything for a "chance" of a single Mark dropping.

They need to fix other key issues before crafting. Besides, no matter how much feedback we give, if they do change it, it won't be anywhere close to correct.

They really have it stuck in their heads that random is a positive thing. Even though I have yet to meet ANY gamer that like RNG.

In fact, one of the first negative reviews, of ANY game, is when there's RNG that directly affects normal progression.

Best gear is elite gear. Best gear is completely Rng based and is not in the vendor. Mepps needs to edit his post

"Best gear in vendor" as crafted gear would imply a completely new approach and system to establish as best gear in vendor. I welcome the idea that eventually we should be able to craft best gear as the primary way to acquire it. The current system just fills in gaps which it has for me.

Don't forget that the RnD gear creation came about from my Best Gear in Vendor thread. Since the benefits of Elite only really helps trolls out the most, most players could get by with 2-4 pieces of elite and get the initial two bonus and most players should be able to grab 2-4 pieces running elite when it resets.

The RnD system with a change to scraps coming from MoV would be better than what we have today, especially with recent changes to loot in the game over all.

I rather the devs move to that direction for RnD as it would give players ways to create the gear they want without the need to worry about being lucky. If you are lucky than you can use the MoV you acquired to make a different piece or make the piece for your off role.

I like this approach. I would use RnD for gear as I outlined above if I could make 1-2 pieces a week as long as I ran all 12 pieces of content to earn the marks I need.

It would be a way to encourage us to play the older relevant content, right now due to how we get scraps, that is not the case.

In fact, the system I outlined encourages us to run all content where we can earn MoV. That benefits all tier players.

Why didn't the devs deliver what I suggested, players using MoV to buy the scraps and having all gear share the same scrap requirements, except rings and face as they only can be made, to make gear.

I know it would encourage me to run more content if I wanted all of the gear piece. Let me refrain that, I would run more on my primary to get all of the non-elite gear pieces for both roles. Right now, I don't care, because the system for getting scraps take to long IMO.

Here's a wee suggestion for you all:

Why not just have gear with the same stats/IL, but with different styles in both the Vendor and as a Rare drop in content so you can either gather marks for the Vendor stuff or hope the abysmal RNG system likes you and gives you the Rare stuff, then rejig the R&D system to allow you to upgrade the Rare gear into 'Elite Rare' gear which has the elite style on the piece(s) it'll then have the same IL as Vendor and Rare stuff but will have slightly higher stats.

This way you still have 3 style feats to finish per each 3 month cycle and if you're not in a hurry to hit max CR you can focus on the Vendor gear and if you're in a rush to hit max CR you can spam RB's to get the Rare gear, and the R&D system will be there to give you something to work towards after the Vendor and Rare style have been finished.

Not true. I get by with no elite gear. My cola gives better stats.

im more for completely removing the R&D system.

It is literally the worst crafting system in an mmorpg i have ever played.

Im not just talking about scraps. I'm talking about the entire thing. The whole r&d system needs to be removed and completely redesigned.

I'm with ya on this.

We keep patching up broken damns. (I wanted to say ****, but it doesn't feel right to type).

Dams that we never needed and hold no water.

Tear em down! Looking at you WM and AM's as well


Edit: lol, nevermind the word up there. Guess ya can't use it even in its proper context.

If the best gear is in the vendor like Mepps said has anybody found the elite and OP vendors yet because that's the best gear and they aren't in the regular vendor .

No I'm still checking but it doesn't seem to be there

^This.

Put the best ACTUAL gear in the vendor just like it was done in T4 for example. The solution to this whole issue is so obvious its not even funny..