Playing SoT and JLD the other night got me wondering...

Discussion in 'Gotham City (General Gameplay)' started by ChowlinShicken, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. ChowlinShicken Active Player

    If Raven and her brothers are mucking about on earth... who does Shazam have trapped in the Rock of Eternity?

    According to SoT, aren't Raven and her family the embodiments of the sins? So who/what's trapped in the Rock's sin-statues?
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  2. dresserball Dedicated Player

    Thought the seven deadly sins were trapped in the rocks.
  3. Proxystar #Perception

    It's just his toy collection, so no one knows he's really a child :p
  4. MsTickle Fate Devoted Player

    He's always going to be Captain Marvel to me, with Shazam being the wizard. Some things just shouldn't change.
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  5. WilderMidnight Steadfast Player

    the way i see it raven and her brothers are based on the seven deadly sins while the actual seven deadly sins reside on the rock of eternity.
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  6. EconoKnight XIII Legion

    ^This is the answer.

    It’s also worth noting that Trigon is from another dimension, so he comes from outside the DC Universe. One could say he brought the seven deadly sins from his dimension to our universe - so there would then be two sets floating around.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigon_(comics)
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  7. Raven Roth Committed Player

    It's like how Nekron and others are lesser embodiments of death and entropy but Death of the Endless is the true embodiment of Death
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  8. WilderMidnight Steadfast Player


    theres also a comic book writers penchant for creating thematic groups. The Royal Flush Gang, the Zodiac, the elementals, the zoo crew etc etc.....

    funny how other dimensions aren't parallel universes.
  9. DarkVisor 15000 Post Club

    And a Drop Dead Babe ;)
  10. EconoKnight XIII Legion

    There’s a lot of terms that get mixed up.

    The best way I can think of in explaining it:

    Dimensions are layers of the universe (which contains everything)
    Realities are then layers of dimensions

    Even in theorectical science, the term dimension is based on the modern mathematical ideas we’re all familiar with.

    The first dimension is a point. Essentially existence.

    The second dimension is length and width.

    For our third dimension, we have length x width x height.

    The fourth dimension is time; and since we only comprehend the third dimension, we only experience linear time in one direction. For an example of a being that lives in the fourth dimension, look to the wormhole Prophets in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. They saw all of time at once, but they were still bound to their one timeline. They were not seeing alternate futures - they could only see the one timeline backwards and forwards.

    The fifth dimension begins the journey into parallel realities. An example of this is Back to the Future. Doc and Marty travel to other realities, but they can only do so by changing history at a single certain point and then see the result of the change - they were traveling through the fifth dimension to get to those alternate futures. The key is that these realities are still alternate probabilities - there are no events breaking the laws of physics.

    The sixth dimension is akin to the fourth dimension - existing in all probable realities at once. You can walk from one random reality to the other without need of a sequence of events to get there.

    The seventh dimension enters into possible realities where the laws of physics start to break down and we begin to see what we call magic. I would say that Trigon is likely coming from the seventh dimension. Still rooted somewhat in probable reality and able to make changes within it on a linear basis. Kind of like a coloring book - you can color outside the lines but you’re still on the page.

    By the time you get to the tenth dimension, you have Mxyzptlk. If writers at the time of Mxy’s creation had our modern theories of dimensions, they would have likely said the tenth was his home.

    Anyway, that’s my understanding of it. It’s a nuanced Russian doll approach that can start to go a bit sideways, but it gets hard to comprehend for third dimensional beings. But we are under Trigon in the grand scheme - he collects we lower dimensions for power against his kind much like we collect up grains of gun powder to make our guns work against each other. But there are many types of minerals, and some like phosphorus will burn you if you don’t handle it right. That’s the DC comics reality to Trigon - they’re phosphorus that burned him and made him jump back.
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  11. willflynne 10000 Post Club


    To quote Otis, the great sage of The Last Starfighter, "Things change. Always do."

    ...

    Hey, it's better than trying to find an appropriate quote from the gung-ho iguana. :D