Pay to win or pay to lose?

I'm sorry but as much as I respect the game what in the hell is going in with the powers? Why is it that the powers we actually PAY for are under performing in terms of DPS (specifically celestial, quantum, electricit, and rage) compared to the FREE powers? Every free power (except for nature) can top all of the premium/payed powers I mentioned. Also IMO there are 6 OP powers (sorcery, ice, mental, gadgets, munitions, earth) and 4/6 are free powers. I play with 10 different powers (mainly celestial and gadgets) so I'm fine but this seems ridiculous. If anything they should all be equal if not the payed should be slightly stronger.

Take celestial and rage off that list.

People think they under perform because combo powers are arguably more complex and harder to get the hang of.

Two are slated for updates. Two are not as bad as you think. And, the pet powers will see the end of their supremacy when statsmatter comes to fruition, because they plateau with CR.

I play well with both since I love combo powers and I'm able to out dps earth DPS and others in raids with celestial. Rage is a little harder but I actually do a decent job with it. However if you take two equally skilled and equipped players, the one using any power but electricity or nature will beat a rage DPS. Celestial has gotten a lot better though with the new update. Been waiting for that since 2014 lol

If you're talking about rage or celestial then trust me I don't think they're bad. I MO they're good but not as good as the free powers (except for nature and fire). Both my mains are celestial and rage and I'm satisfied with both but it's funny how free powers are better. I also got kicked from an alert because they saw I was celestial, even though I nearly doubled the other DPS damage. This is because people only want mental or ice DPS now.

Shh, or the FOTMs will switch. And then have to switch again because they can't do combos.

Also, InB4 ssJoniFoXss says how bad Rage is.

The devs stated that when they do the stats matter they are going to adjust the pets overall stats to help make them more effective due to the fact that they are tied to the CR.

I think we are likely more to see pet powers "end of supremacy" when they get their midrange update. From a parsing perspective the powers need a buff with regards to melee damage. My guess is the devs might adjust the damage down a bit for pets and buff the other powers in order to get the pet powers to hit the ranges they need to. Or at least that would be my guess how it would run when Tunso was still with DCUO but apparently he isn't anymore... so I suppose I don't have a good guess for how it will be done after all.

I think they should make all the powers equal. Its Like DC is Basing the powers off how much money people are putting into it. For example if i am a Fire dps and DC decides to update Earth which will be better, I am going to switch to Earth because the in game players will give me a interview saying whats my sp and power and even tho my sp is greater than theirs if your not the Flavor of the month power you cant join a group. Its a business to DC they are probably laughing at the dps that constantly spend money on flavor of month power, Well enjoying because they are getting their money. I get it DC needs the money but, dont use us like that. I love DC so much i am not a dps i am a troll but, i Listen to other dps and observe and they are right on some aspects. Yes some dps cannot combo or they mess the rotation up but, no reason a 127 sp dps beat a 200 sp dps. P.S how the i make my own discussion topic i cant find out how to do it T-T i want to make my own post instead of just commenting.

Rage is nowhere near underperfoming. Most people simply don't know how to use it.

As stated, I know that. I use rage but it's underperfoming when you COMPARE it to gadgets, sorcery, ice and mental. However I have out dpsed a mental in BD (since I can melee well unlike DWF).

Please, the powers are different and work differently, do not have to see whether they are paid or free, if they are combined or simple, with or without PET ...

I do not know what they are talking about, all powers except a couple missing check are doing the same DMG but work differently so they do not damage the same way or in the same place, you can not claim that fire does instant damage as does one of earth or sorcery, not even with stacking as gadgets or mental, but accumulation FIRE is a beast! Like any power that knows how to use. Are many beast fire players better than other powers players.

Because ice is "the best"? not because it makes good dmg, it is because it is the easiest and silly to use power, then any people can make good damage with this power. Instead to make good damage with other powers you have to know well to do and when.

On the other hand, long time ago payment powers were better than free, and does not seem right, and I not want that to happen again. If you are legendary you'll no matter what power is paid and what is not, and if you pay for power, buy different reasons, not because someone you ensure that you will be the best DPS for paying!

There are ignorant people who kick people from raids just to see power without even knowing the player or see how it plays, (as you mentioned earlier), not become such person is talking

I don't want the premium powers to be stronger, I want balance. But if I were to think about it, it'd make more sense if they were just as stronger if not stronger. About the way powers work. People have said that I said rage and others are weak. Not at all. I merely said that these powers do less damage in raids for plenty of reasons. Yes ice is OP but not just cause its basic but because it also hits very hard and is good for adds and bosses. Rage hits very hard but the new content is very difficult to melee. However, ice, mental and sorcery do hit harder than powers like quantum, celestial and rage most of the time.

In my opinion every power is great in a certain way. People only say certain powers because if you use that power at a High CR you get good damage. The Powers are really just based on what YOU like.

If someone likes Electric then they can make a good load out with that.

Every power is special and unique in its own way. I don't get why people complain about the powers sometimes.

I assure you are almost finished and balanced. I repeat what I said before because you still do not understand, I do not say this to offend, this happens to most of the people the game speak only because they repeat what others say without analyzing reality, there are good powers that make good damage for your simplicity of use and spontaneous damage, that does not mean that this OP but was used as appropriate.

You never saw a player with a power of those who does not damage? In that case the power is bad or the player is the one who does not know to use?

The same goes for the rest of powers (missing a couple yet), there are some details that could be fixed? Yes. but that does not mean that now are poorly ...

Rage is a different matter, its powers and forms of fighting are different, you can not nor should compare all the powers alike.

It is a mistake that all believe that all powers tieenen to do the same dmg. you know how to measure whether the powers are balanced? everyone will do the same dmg that are already balanced?

you want all powers to do the same but each with a color and a different animation? This evil ... every power besides colors and animations have characteristics.

I know you're not one of the people is not at the top of the table damage, but do not worry about it, while you're in a aceeptable range enjoy your characters, and try to see that you can improve inadvertently copy loadouts youtube ... (I do not say you've done, but it is very likely)

I do not mind that there are differences, which I think is wrong is that people do not understand and kick people from one instance, if power is wrong whole community has to say, not excluding those people and only they claim.

Last night at the new raid one fire won to an ice by much difference, sorcery stay first one because others had died, but I'm sure not for the number of deaths probably you would be telling the story where sorcery not stay first on the scoreboard.

You will tell me that in this case the ice not wise to use? then it is not the power but is the player ...
You will not give merit to the fire? or as the player ice was bad the fire was better?
So because he was so close to sorcery? It was also sorcery bad player? the fire will be very good?

I attest that both the sorcery and the fire are excellent players ... then the sorcery is not as good as they say or is that the fire is better than you think?

If the ice dps lost to a fire dps that means that the fire was very skilled or the ice dps did poorly. If you pit those two powers against each other and both players have equal stats and are in equal in skill then the ice dps would win. Hence why people call it "OP." Because he was close to the sorcery it does not necessarily mean either was bad or good
The gap between their DPS is not large
It's not like electricity and ice. Actually I have topped leader boards with gadgets and normally come 3rd with celestial and no I'm not worried about that. What I dislike is the fact that people kick others due to them being celestial or nature and etc. For your satisfaction, no, I did not look up loadouts for my gadgets, celestial or electricity toon. I've only looked one up for my HL and rage toons.

At no point have I EVER said I want all powers to be similar with different colors. No way, I'm against that and I like the diversity between them. For example, celestial does heavy damage on a boss but is a little slow on adds. Rage is great on adds but difficult to use on a boss. Each power is different and I actually do wish they were even more different (especially between gadgets and mental since they basically have the same AM). It is true that you can not measure all powers alike (that's why I think there should be two different scoreboards. One for boss fights and other for adds). Like I previously said, celestial does awesome damage on bosses but rage does great on adds. Though ice does better than both on adds and boss (due to the simplicity of it and it's mechanic- low risk with higher reward).

Exactly. I've made a toon with every power but mature. I agree 100% with all except for that electricity comment. Although you can get a decent loadout it still performs poorly on bosses and adds.

Celestial was recently fixed.

I know. I loved the update!! Unfortunately, I still get hate just because my power is celestial, even if I did double the damage of an HL in BN.

Good answer, it seems to your correct thinking ... and what you say to divide the score 2 is good idea.

Regarding what you say you kick people instances as you commented me before too, I think it's because there are many top players without experience, knowledge and analytical skills, then kick good players because they are not the powers they prefer, should feel elite by going only mentally, ice, sorcery ...

That is true for many powers needed greater expertiz and as the fire is the power most populous of the game, there are many bad players and do not lead to show the good ... to be competitive with fire must know how to use it. I speak of fire because it is a pretty controvertial power, like your coment what you get with celestial. But I recognize that there are people who value good players and it seen congratulations.

I have faith that when modifying the CR by STATS these things should change for the better ... and no longer seek power for an instance but look for competent players.

It's a game, it is clear and everyone plays it as he likes but the CR kill all possible progression...

They won't buff the powers because 1, that will turn the pet am into a dot power, and 2, it will make the wm part of power to strong