LPVE or stop wasting your life for farm

While I appreciate you explaining things I want to point out something that most seem to overlook in the quest to make it easier.

All the same people who it sucked for with PVP nerfs, it also sucked for with the rare style vendor giveaway are the same people you plan on making it suck for if they nerf LPVE.

You (the community) keep expecting the most dedicated grinders in the game (who people keep calling entitled) to watch feats they earned the hard way (over time) to be given away to the masses because they are too long, hard ,boring and be okay with it.

Every time a feat nerf happens the same people are being smacked in the face would you continue to be cool with it time after time?

As the old saying goes, An eye for an eye leaves the whole World blind. Just because people got screwed over with feats in the past doesn't mean that it's perfectly acceptable to continue to screw people over going forward.

As I said above, what you're asking for is the same as asking for style feats to be rewarded when 50% of the style has been unlocked. You're asking for the numbers to be reduced. You're not asking for an alternative way to access the system, or relief from newly imposed heavy restrictions on LPVE. Even with the rare style vendor, you have to grind up to 560 Marks just to finish one style. That still requires effort and commitment and yeah, running 56 Raids or 112 Alerts or 280 Alerts or 560 Solos is lot more demanding than nuking Area 51 in 10 minutes once a day.

There's nothing stopping you from obtaining the LPVE feats right now, except you. There is no map rotation system in play that restricts the feats which people are complaining about (see GU25 notes for more information on this), there isn't any RNG in play. It's purely a case of you, not wanting to run the maps as much and to me that doesn't warrant a reduction.

I empathise with everyone complaining. I am in the same position as a lot of people. I'm nowhere near finished the feats myself and I can only enjoy LPVE in small doses. So it's not a case of me being one of these 280 SP guys who've spent the last year grinding all the feats and fighting to hold onto what I've been working for. I would like to achieve what those people have already achieved but over time, just as it was intended.

Note: "You" refers to the community, not you personally.

I wouldn't be cool with it no, but what could i do, you know the game moves accordingly to the masses, not the minority. And if the masses think the number is too high it will likelly go down.

I used to like grindy feats, i did the gathering feat in 2 toons, the pvp feats etc, but lpve theres no way i'm going to farm the big number feats (and im totally fine with that), first because i think the number in the feats is absurd and is bound to decrease in the future, second because i personally find lpve the most boring content in the game.

On another note it makes little sense to me that content directly linked to progression like duos has a feat that stops at 500 yet lpve goes to over 5000.

Here is another way to look at it. The overall #s are insane. The amount of runs it takes to finish them is ridiculous. Its less then 1% of the community that has them finished. Those people made the decision to farm those feats. I personally think someone choosing to do that needs a hobby but i digress. What a very small group of players chooses to do should not affect the minority. People on here all the time say dont cater to the top 5-10% when it comes to difficulty. But they (daybreak) can cater to 1% or less for lpve feats? It doesnt make sense. Its basically saying dont cater to a small % of players here, but its ok to cater to a small % there.

And 14yrs? Cmon now. Idk how anyone can see that # and think its ok. Does anyone think this game will be around in 14 years? I sure dont. I know that is only 1 run per day. But sometimes that is all people have time for, even the hardcore players. Mepps even said the feats are excessive. Its a MMO game and there should be a grind. But 14 years? Even if ya do 2 runs a day that is still 7yrs Cut that in half and you're still at 3.5 years. Like i said earlier in the thread, a grind is ok. But anything over 2 years is just ridiculous and silly.

I should say too i have enough sp. Im not asking or thinking the feats should be lowered so i can get more sp. I have 250+ on 5 toons. More then enough. It also has nothing to do with wavedox for me or wanting to have max sp like ive seen some people saying. I could care less. I just think those #s are insanely high and 14 or 7 years is a crazy #. I mean some people pay off a house in less then 14yrs Even if they lowered the #s i wouldnt even bother chasing the feats either. Again, #s are just way too high. I also dont know if i would call every player that ground out the lpve feats "amazing." A more accurate description imo would be patient and having a ton of free time and determined.

It was on an episode of the sourcecast. Ya know trex's podcast thing. I do not recall the #. But i do remember listening and hearing him say "the feats are a bit excessive." Maybe someone else knows the episode # and can link it.

I say lower them. For the people who already have the feat congrats you got the feat. Your reward was the time you spent enjoying the game. I'm sure it was a worthy investment.

Theres wanting to do less and theres not wanting something to be excessive. I swear some of you act like this game is a job. No one forced you to grind those. You chose to. If they change it owell. Theres alot of things in the game that were changed after the fact. Its a game. Dont take it THAT serious.

I think the overall running with a specific character is excessive and should be tweaked a bit.
I think they should group it into Magic, Tech, and Meta related character and reduce that number to 500. Then your just looking at 500 runs with one class of character which is just over 1.25 years, its not too insane by my standards but its still a grind if you do the bare minimum of 1/day.

There is no point in making the feats have lower counts, especially this late after release. I say 'no'.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

I see that this thread was made by a guy with 268sp which means he is running out of stuff to do without having to do grindy stuff to get up to the top. Could be that he is trying to get this number nerfed so that he can catch up quicker. Just saying his motives might be more selfish than beneficial to the community.

Or he just has common sense. This is a game people stop treating it like a job. There is grinding then there is this. There is a line.

They nerfed the PvP feats in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me if they nerfed LPvE as well. I don't even bother replaying for the feats, for as many as they are and the amount of playtime I have, not worth it.

I'll get there eventually. May take another 5 years but eventually.

Umm, no. Lol. It is easier now more than every to finish vendor gear. What are you smoking? Lol. You can run do and nexus. Boom 10 plus marks in less than 5 min. Not to mention everything else you can get marks from now. The drops from instances are silly also. The drop rate seems to change with time. I know they would never do that, right? Lol, wrong. The drop rate when a new instance first came out sure did seem a lot better than a few weeks down the road. I believe with RIP came out I had all, I had all the styles in a couple of runs.

You don't get 10 marks from Nexus... You get a chance at a mark each boss. Same with any other raid out of your relevancy window.

Lol, stupid phone. It should say dox and nexus. I hate auto correct.

You're on the cursed phone too huh? Lol I have to edit almost every post I make cause the phone always auto corrects something into something else totally different then what I meant.

Sure, i'm a follower of Rational egoism (also called rational selfishness). But it's not ONLY about me. Its for all peeps in this game, except for those few peeps who already farmed it. I don't wanna to slap them, either do anything else that might seems bad for them.
But its like 27 WHOLE DAYS ingame to complete. Can I have it? Yes, probably in a year or sth like that.
P.S. not trying to stay on top of wavedox, i just want my stats to be maxed out.

So basically because some people wasted their time doing these feats everyone should be forced to slog through them? I have no problem with monotonous feats as I have finished most of them, but these are pretty ridiculous. They should be reduced to a more reasonable level as no feats should take 14 years to finish if you do them daily.

I do understand your frustration, however nobody really forces you to do those feats.

I also commented in this thread, I also think that the amount of runs we have to do to get all lpve feats done is pretty much unthinkable, however nobody really forces us to do them. You have a choice - to do them or not. I am above 2000 runs and now that I think about it, it took me almost 2 years to complete that many, plus playing on 8 other characters besides my main.

The way to deal with the fact that the chance of lpve changing in any way might be very little, is to basically play the game for fun. When there are easy maps like Trigon's Prison and Oan - do 5 runs a day if you have the time, sooner or later you will get them done. I'm also pretty sure that this game isn't going anywhere for the next few years.

I think the LPvE feats are ridiculous. This is coming from someone who has no issues grinding out feats. I've been playing long enough to go through several changes to feats. Feats that were made easier for people. Grinding things out only to see others get them while doing 1/10th of the work that we originally had to do.

But these feats. Give me a break. If you've finished them, congrats. You're done. Does that mean the devs can't change the feat totals because someone finished them? Really? Where's the logic in that. We've had the PvP feats changed and lots of people completed those. I did on two toons. Does that mean I should get some kind of special title that says I'm a special snowflake? No. I wasn't happy with the change but it happened. I dealt with it.

There is no skill in completing 5k LPvE. Just like a lot of feats don't take a lot of skill to complete. All you're doing is dumping a lot of time in the game. But please, don't try to say it's skill.

I'd rather stand in the WT than complete any LPvE feats. And that's what I do. LPvE is arguable one of the worst things added to the game (For me). It might be on par with immunites. I'm not sure yet. That's how much I hate them. I refuse to do them. Would I do them if the feats were lowered, yes. But as of now, no. Those are the only feats I'm missing. I would rather watch paint dry, than grind these feats out. Missing out on a few SP isn't a big deal to me. It doesn't make or break my toon, nor does it make someone who has them better than me or you.