Kicking a player.

So there I was again, stuck in a group that wouldn't try to work together(6 from the same league fighting amongst themselves) and wouldn't you know that is when it happens,,,, a player DC's( you know the obvious they turned off the system DC) because they are tired of waiting for the 5 to quit arguing amongst themselves and before anyone can say a word poof the Dc'ed player has been kicked( at least they agreed on 1 thing finally). They re-open and a guy joins leaving 2 of us not in the league the other guy asks to be excused and they deny him so he ends up asking 4 times getting denied each time before he finally leaves on his own. I then ask to be excused and of course they deny me coz they are jerks and still fighting with each other. So I politely tell em," If you deny me I am going to stay, do nothing,, make you carry me to the end and reap the rewards off your work. They start going off on mic about " just leave". I state that if you want to be jerks then be jerks but I will not leave if you deny me so live with what you choose. I ask...they deny...they won't open the instance for new players until after 2 bosses all the time yelling at me (hehehe). Then right before final boss they re-open and as soon as a player joins they start asking them to kick me which makes me LOL on mic so loud they ask whats so funny??

The player was a friend of mine who knows me and why I was not doing anything in the instance and refused to initiate a kick telling them to live with their choice and then he sits right next to me and does nothing. They then disband the instance.

Yeah you just gotta love that 3 hr limit on kicking a player don't ya?

Am I the only one here that finds it ironic and humorous about a thread name "Kicking a Player" from a persona named "Gimpy" ?? LOL

If someone isn't preforming their role properly, holding the group back, insulting people, not listening, not paying attention, doing things they shouldn't, then they deserve to be kicked. What this system has done since it's been implimented is kept groups together that aren't preforming well because certain players don't know what they are doing, and won't listen. If someone doesn't know, I have no problem explaining it to them, or helping them with their role and powers, even giving them a better loadout than what they have. If that person chooses to not listen and continues to do bad, we should have the option to kick them, plain and simple.

I agree that people kick others unwarranted, but now, people can't even kick those that DESERVE to be kicked. The other day, I was trying to get a feat in a raid for some league mates. This one girl, who was trolling us, kept purposefully screwing up the feat and laughing at us. Why should we not be allowed to kick her? That's unfair, she deserved to be kicked.

GIMPY.......They refused to kick you and your buddy because there is a WHOPPING 1 minute penalty .

By the time you back out and re Q. You will have about 30 seconds. The kick option needs to be left alone.
If someone is a ****** then leave. Go use the restroom, grab a drink or whatever.
When you get back that MONSTOROUS 1 minute penalty will be over.

The old kick was much abused and TBH kicks now can be for something totally off the wall. Life is not perfect and never will be.

MalachyteLoyal Player

Nope LMAO

PHILL... before you reply you should really read the post.
they couldn't kick us because they kicked a dc'ed player within seconds of them dc'ing. I would only get the penalty if I chose to leave. I ASKED TO BE EXCUSED. THEY REFUSED. My friend wouldn't initiate the kick for them after they realized what they had chosen wasn't getting them what they wanted so maybe next time they will make better choices. The only reason they opened up for a new player was to get them to initiate to kick me.

I do not give a one armed eight pole flying five finger shaolin death touch crap about the penalty but if someone wants to try and force me to take a penalty simply because they can, then they need to be ready to accept what happens. If a person asks to be excused then excuse them don't be an a** simply because you can and you think it's funny.

Look people I know the old kick system was abused, I have played since Nov.2012, but the new kick with a 3 hr limit on starting a kick simply because you initiated a vote or VOTED for a kick needs changed. I wouldn't be forced to take a penalty then and I won't be forced to take one now.

Yes, I understand that we must make compromises but some changes are still needed.

Do realize that the three hour limit is there to make players deal with the situation and act like adults? The three hour limit makes players think or at least realize after the fact that maybe they should be working together.

And that's the only thing. Take your "the guy behaved like jerks"-example and realize all you did was behaving like a jerk as well, then realize that you ask the kick system to be changed so people could behave like jerks again. It's a straight now, and for my part: I think jerks shouldn't even have the right to play video games, let alone feel welcomed to play one. But jerks do have money and companies want them to part with it, and jerks part easier with their money, so....

That 3 hr limit was intended to get players to work together but If they can't work together then they need the "choice" of kicking the player(s) that are not working for the good of the group. See all the examples of people not working together above in the posts people have made?


Yes after being refused to be excused I am kind of being "jerk like" when I refuse to take a penalty being forced on me. I treat people with respect until they show me they don't deserve it and if the only reason you deny a player from being excused is because you can or think it funny and want to force a penalty upon them.... yeah I guess I will be a jerk again.

Some of the options from this thread and from others in game have been,

ability to kick a DC'ed player with no penalty
shorter time limit between kicking
shorter time on those who only voted
limiting number of kicks in an instance
giving warnings before ability to kick


Ok, so there are people who want to keep it as it is, fine you like it, I get it.

I still have the right to dislike it and post for some change and the fact that your flaming me in your post because you disagree with me isn't going to change my opinion or views. I am not the only player who believes a change is needed and not the only 1 to give options, If you can't give an alternative option then it seems apparent you might be part of the problem. If all you want to do is disagree with me then disagree and move on. I haven't called any who have posted in this thread out of their name and won't.

Maybe, just maybe,,, your part of the problem and the reason I started the thread .

I'd like to eliminate kick penalties in these situations (in order of how mad responses will be):

-Player is disconnected or idle long enough to be away.
-Player is not in the role they were assigned.
-Player is not in the instance chat.

Flame on!

Instance chat? Are you talking about voice only? I can understand if there is no communication but if someone does not have a headset and you think its fine to kick them. Then you are a loser. Thinking its ok to boot a player for not being able to afford something or maybe rules at home is not ok.

You're unclear on basic game terminology but still jump right to calling me a loser. I would take the penalty to kick you from a group.

Defensive are we?
I guess since I have not really used voice chat since FTP started. I am assuming you are talking about voice chat then. I'm sorry, but kicking a player because they do not or cannot run voice chat is a loser in my book.

I think there needs to be an exception to link-dead players. Its shouldn't count towards any voting limitations. I queued into a failed BP raid. It was a group wipe. Apparently the healer was ko'd and linkdead at first boss. Everyone else who re-spawned was outside, but the door to boss was still locked. Group ran out of votes people multiple people decided to quit like this.

That is the only issue that I agree with in this thread as far as booting a player.^^^^^^ Even then I ask players to give players a couple minutes to log back in.

I know the majority of the community gives a Dc'ed player the chance to reconnect since they know connection issues may be experienced with the game. No one has disagreed about that.

Why do you have to disrespect people just because they posted something you disagree with?

Why an exception? There is absolutely no need for the linkdead feature. Just look at what it should provide:

- it should keep people in an instance who accidently disconnect (hardware or ISP hickup)

Nothing else.

Look what it does:

- abused for ragequits
- "enraging" people in PUG/que environment
- abused by moronic elitists to prove the "need" for less restrictions in kicking, for shorter timers or for "making it the way it was"

How does it play out in the game?

Someone ragequits. People sit and would kick him instantly if possible (mission timer past - I think - 5 minutes and someone has a kick left). If that was not a ragequit and the player tried to return, would he benefit from linkdead? Maybe, maybe not, but if the possibility is there, he got kicked before he could return.
Someone disconnects in a league run/"friendly" environment. Someone will state stuff like "he'll be back in a few, machine crashed" or "yeah I know him, he has a lousy ISP" etc. Group will wait, player will return to group. As people know the DC'd person anyway, it's as possible to get along without the linkdead-feature: in that environment, the player is either in league or on friendlists, logging back in will be noticed and the friendly bunch can send a new invite easy, problem solved without linkdead.

So, in that "friendly" environment, people have no need for the linkdead feature and in the PUG/que environment people don't want the feature as it empowers people to take the group hostage for a while, and if people have the chance, they kick the linkdead person anyway. And the "bright" people come up with "we need shorter kick cooldowns" on this problem?

Not bright. Simple solution: remove linkdead, as it is the source for even more problems - when you subscribe from ingame and cannot access your money after the game logged you back in -> that is also a problem related to linkdead for example - and it's all good. The "better" solution would be enabling linkdead just in solo instances so people who do not bother other people can benefit from it when really crashing, hoping to get back into their solo when crashed, and everything's fine. Well, not for the moronic elitists who basically want their kick game back, but for the normal player

Kick is not a function to build your random que group into the group you were too lazy to build in LFG before. It was for some people before the changes, but it was not intended to be. And most players agree on: lazy players do not deserve help or extra tools Want your group, with all voicechats and all perfect at playing their roles and all fully geared and fully modded and what else is your absolute standards? Build it yourself in LFG. Ask the devs for a better group builder/browser tool, and I'll support you. But random que is random que, no matter how complicated this simple fact may seem for the.... whatever it is that's in your head.

And then for some reason 1 or more of those players that a person spent the time building from LFG, as you suggest a non lazy player would do to form his group, decide to """insert example here""""".

I have never said the kick system then/now did/does not get abused.

I can't understand why people who want to be kicked just don't leave as there's not like a 10 minute Q up wait time anymore lol. But I do think its extremely funny they had to disband as it was your friend to come in didn't put you up for a kick lol.