Kicking a player.

Anyone else believe they should go back to the old kick? Or at least change the 3 hr ban for kicking a player who has DC'ed?

We have all been in groups where a player DC's (either on purpose or not) and the group ends up having to kick them and then a different player DC's or just walks away from the game or maybe they are just not a good fit for the group no matter the reason. Once you kicked the 1st player all those involved in starting or voting for the kick now have a 3hr ban. Which usually leaves the group unable to initiate another kick making the group carry them or quit the instance, Yeah the deadlink change for a player who has DC'ed is a great idea, I have enjoyed using it myself when DC'ed even, but it doesn't take over 5 minutes to reset the PC/PS/router and get back in the game.

Why should the group pay a penalty for something they can't control when kicking a DC'ed player?

Autokick after DC for 3 min. Keep 3 hr limit. The community has shown over and over they can't handle a kick option. No color mods kick, no tactical mods kick, 3 Cr lower than group kick, not enough damage kick, want another burn kick,
someone won't switch to dps kick, and the I don't like you kick.

Nice idea about the auto-kick for DC.

Yeah all that other stuff is in the past.

Most know people are leveling up a toon and with the way things work now with the GU's just use an alpha for the affinity until they have the gear for a VII mod.

With the way it works now since the GU's being 3 cr lower isn't an issue unless they can't keep up with their role in the group then they deserve to be kicked.

Won't switch to dps/main role...the guy who qued for Troll won't switch to troll....the guy who qued for dps but wont switch from main... WHEN they wont switch from an equipped roll that is 5-9 cr below the required cr to get in but the main role they play is max cr that's the groups problem right?? gotta love wavedox

The player won't contribute making the group carry them makes the group pay the penalty??

I have also seen people who have asked to be excused(and have been this person as well) get denied because a group of jerks wants to make them take the deserter penalty and then refuse to leave forcing the group to carry or kick which ever they chose to do. Yes I know the deserter penalty is minimal but if ya want to be a jerk then live with the results you get

Following your idea of auto-kick the DC'ed player I offer that they give a reason for kicking option to stop the " don't like the person"..."want to get a league mate/friend in" kicks and then give a ban for kicking X amount in a specific time period.

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I do think they should change that B.S. 3 our kick time its totally bull crap we got to wait that long to kick another player.

the only flaw to the kick system is starting it while there is loot pending. I did this and didn't realize the collection was still pending, so I had to leave the duo.

LOL, to get kicked from a duo you really have to be no good as most people that go into a duo after say the first 3 times can usually do it by themselves.

Maybe not an auto-kick, but there should be a seperate timer/cooldown for kicking a DC'd player. Especially out of a duo.

The game should also recognize when a player actually shutdown the game instead of some mystery disconnection.

That would be nice for the game to actually recognize when a player shutdown happens but I'm not sure if that could happen just yet.

IKR! But you still get banned for kicking them, either kick them or leave yourself in duos ( no deserter penalty if you leave), if you leave you have to start over or...wait for it coz it's happened to me more than a few times.... if you kick them and they are the player who got put back into the same instance with you then you are screwed coz now you can't kick them and have to carry them or leave (again making you start over). I just say screw it and leave most of the time now.

Or if you kick them and they come back now your up to be kicked as they will be childish and even if the others don't kick you the one that got kicked will most likely just come in running there mouth like little school girls.

Every answer above is why it won't change

Honestly, I like the kick / deserter switch : if I'm with a frozen raid group, the group has ******** in it, whatever, it's not the old game of 'boot roulette and ********' until someone calls for a disband. I can just leave, a minute later I can join or queue for other content - it works just fine for me.

I would like a 'wait timer' on instance grouping though, so that if I left this group for 'reasons', I won't be added back to the group I just left for, let's say 20-30 minutes afterwards, that way I can requeue and not end up in an instance with the same three DPS staring at the wall wishing for a tank that I just left because it was stalled.

It seemed like 'kick people and get other people!' was too ready a solution 'way back when' you know?

Ok, maybe an option that is like the vote to kick has to go through a couple of warnings to the player someone has "suggested" a removal for and having a set time limit before another "suggestion" can be posted by a DIFFERENT player in the group, say something like 5 minutes between "suggestions" before being allowed to kick.
That would give the player a chance to get their head back in the game and the group a chance to try to get over the little things getting in the way of them working together. Like going ahead and giving that player who asked to be excused a thumbs up so they and the group can get on with the game without a penalty. Yet it would not allow for the kick people and get other people way of thinking.

Or just give the option to kick a DC'ed player without a penalty for now while considering the ideas being brought to the table by all who post.

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and i'd die for your right to kick who ever

Players that dc. Should be allowed to be kicked at anytime with no penalty. This should also apply for duos.

You forgot being kicked because they do not have a mic or their friend just got on.

Old kick system was pretty useless and much abused. Disconnected players are a problem however - so why not remove the linkdead crap in total instead? Linkdead causes:

- trouble when disconnecting in an instance for the players inside the instance stuck with the "corpse"
- trouble for the disconnected player in getting back into the game, especially when it happened in an instance that closed down between getting disconnected and being ready to re-connect.
- trouble when subscribing via the ingame marketplace, as the account gets disconnected, reconnected from linkdead status and the toon is then in its former mode of being not subscribed, not granting access to lockboxes or the escrow money
- a couple of bugged situations of not being able to re-connect that haven't fully been broken down to the non-working parts.

There are regulary threads complaining about linkdead keeping players from getting back into the game fast, more often and more regular than threads asking for the old kick system back. So: remove the linkdead "features", and there is no "good" reason left to ask for the old kick system anymore. The guys who then still want it back won't be able to hide behind the disconnected player problem any longer and instead would have to confess that they are part of the elitist problem this game also suffers from. Yes, I know: "hide behind" sounds more coward than elitist but fun fact: elitist very often are cowards or manipulitive low-lifes claiming stuff to be "for the greater good" while wanting to safe their own "status".

Ya know,,,,,,, I did pose the question of changing the 3 hr time ban as well dude. Yes I have already agreed the old kick was abused in other posts so I am not " hiding behind " anything.... just wanting to see a few changes in the 3hr time limit.

But if it must be posted in this manner then;
good reasons left to " hide behind" changing the current kick system

1 The player who comes in and does nothing , just there to be carried
2 The player who asked to be excused was denied and is now sitting there doing nothing (see example 31)
3 The player who comes in and no matter what is said they choose to do their own thing leaving the group to do example #1

There are quite a few more reasons to "hide behind" that can be named but if I post any more of them then according to you I am a coward and a low-life interested in my own status.

Dude, I have been the player who has asked to be excused and was denied because a group wanted to be jerks and try to force me to take a deserter penalty. YES I KNOW THE PENALTY IS VERY SHORT. Didn't matter to me after they were jerks so I just stayed and did nothing until they finished the instance or chose to kick me. Been on both sides so I at least have a small amount of knowledge from each side. So your opinion of me is worthless, your probably one of those people who vote no when someone asks to be excused.

Glad you agree with the linkdead change at least..