Work In Progress Improvements to the Loot System

My post was narrowly focused on the gear progression model in any given DLC while it is current content.

Regarding an incentive to run older content, I completely agree. Who's run Courthouse a gajillion times hoping for a Digital Invader piece? Who farmed the Paneled Bodysuit from the earth duos? What about the flexsuits from the Flash duo? The OP pieces? Those kinds of things keep people going back again and again hoping to score that sweet, sweet loot.

I'm all for expanding that idea in a big way. Auras, pet trinkets, transformation trinkets, base items, titles, unique styles, consumables that turn my leaguemates into infants (complete with cloth diapers and binkies) or turn them neon pink, I want them all! Sprinkle the items into every piece of content in the game, new and old, and people will farm it. I know I would.

I will admit it would be fun to go back to the Hand of Fate scenario when you had plans drop from the raid to craft the best gear. That's just me personally.

They're only increasing your chances if they leave the drop rate alone when they implement this. I'm assuming that they're going to halve the chance of rare gear when they implement this, to keep people from getting the gear any faster.

No one actually needs the top gear. The people beating the top raid certainly don't, since they're beating the top raid without it.

Debateable. But many of the people arguing for vendor gear are actually upset because they're doing all the raids and not getting much loot. They want a top limit, something like 'if you do all the raids 10 times you'll have the full set + weapon of your choice.'

You made me laugh out loud, Mepps.

Next up: a game more fun than going through probate court!

A game more fun than having your teeth drilled!

A game more fun than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

Stay ambitious!

NOOOOO!!!!!!

I must have run that over 100 times and received only 1 plan. Please never again! My only solace is I can now spend 70 marks of fury (each) to buy the 7 remaining styles I need. Thats right, to this day I still have only received 1 plan on my account (as opposed to just my main). In fact, it is the only remaining feat left for that DLC.

Really? I have 2 pieces on my main and at least one other piece on at least 3 other toons (not that I'm anywhere near completing it either, I probably got the boots 4 times).

Wow! This looks like a cool change. I have a couple of reservations, not wanting to read through 16 pages of comments.

1) In the past, if we didn't get a piece of gear (say Halls of Power) we'd get double marks. Will that be a choice, if we are fully geared, to choose double marks?

2) On behalf of my fellow ps3 players, sometimes by the time we roll on loot (and sometimes its just that aggravating enchanted beast horn) everybody's moved on to the next room. Sometimes that really puts us into a spin, say in Labyrinth. If everyone's gone, you don't know which way to go. This can be especially true if you're the last one trying to finish off the last add, so you can't get out of combat to roll on it. So, will there be a minimal delay to allow us ps3 players time to roll on these drops?

3) What's with Gear Option 1 and Gear Option 2? Will it be made clear to us what we are choosing, or is this a Price-Is-Right kind of game, where we have to decide whether we want to give it up for what's behind door number 3?

4) Just to address Torikumu's concern, is there any way you'd consider doing this Raven style? (That is, choosing which piece of gear we want)

I think you're being a little unfair to Mepps and Spytle. Mepps said it's not going to happen because it's not going to happen. They've decided what they're doing for loot drops for the next year or so, and that's not it. No amount of arguing is going to change that.

And I think if you reread Spytle's post you'll see that's not what he said. Spytle was basically pointing out facts. You don't want the raid gear to be higher than the vendor gear. They've decided to make the raid gear a higher item level than the vendor gear. There is no compromise, no way for both to be true.

1) Looks like 'Extra Mark' will always be an option in raids, and sometimes be an option in other content.


3) They had better show the actual loot... or a lot of people are going to be very unhappy.

4) No.

All luck drop systems just stink. However u put it or change it. One piece of gear or whatever should b earnable. The paradox system was the best in my opinion. There r multiple ways to do it. With the hardest way guarantee top level gear earned. All gear should be put in one category. Mask, neck, rings, trinket & utility belt in another. And weapon separate. Luck based doesn't make u chase for drops. Earning with achievements does. It also makes better players.

Mepps, Spytle, I think you should pay attention to what Radium is saying. People aren't going to want to run older content, for fear of affecting their chances for top tier gear. It was an excellent point. One I hadn't thought of. I like the new system, but I agree with Radium that it should be based on the tier you're running.

Also, I see that it's toon based, not account based, so I could conceivably run the top raids 5 times with no gear drops on each of my top tier toons (7 in all) with no drop. That would be 35 drops with no loot. Maybe it should be account based?

they can make the gear be like PvP tiers are iirc tori and a lot of others including of myself all agree to this,

that after you purchase item level 99 for the price it is you then and only then from same vendor see item level 100 at higher prices, finish 100 item level set and you see 101 at even higher prices.

They claim they want the DLC to have longevity, I get this, but how does higher prices and needing to unlock/get full set of A and B to get to C not make for longevity?

I mean w/o the use of replay badges for me I earn roughly 46 marks a day give or take a few extra marks from duo's and alerts. idk IMO just seems like their hell bent on luck based heavy loot systems.

Another excellent point! It sure is a bummer when you're dead set on two-handed but keep getting martial arts and bow and staff.

Mepps, I just want to say you do an excellent job taking everybody's questions and complaints and either doing something about it or saying "No, that is as intended".

this, I have yet to get 100 brawling on my troll, so I had to break down and use MA just to get some extra vit/dom

This sounds fair enough....although I do have one question regarding weapons. In previous dlc the infused weapons I have only gotten ONE which was DW, and ever since that weapon I haven't seen any other weapons anymore till now. And so hard to try to finish those styles, so my question is this. Will the loot change/improvements effect which weapons u get? For instance if u choose option 1 u only get certain types of weapons like bow, HB, and shield, or option 2 like dw, 1hd, ma something to these extend. Please this is by far my biggest concern. Is the weapons, either make vendor have the best weapons period, or at least let us have better chance to get what "WE" really want or love to fight with.

I have to admit that I am guilty of running the raids for the better gear and ignoring the alert in this dlc (but mostly its because these 2 alerts aren't as enjoyable to me as the raids are). However, I have seen tons of people shouting for the alerts, and have even been able to que into them.

I do all alerts, and raids once a week, raids aren't worth resetting I tried the resetting route and went 0-15, meaning did 15 runs in a row got no 100 gear, and then the 4 runs I did this past week between 2 characters I actually received shoulders. My guess is this system will be similar to what I just described. give or take a few off how many times you have to run something before actually getting something useful.