Test Discussion Ice Mid-range Adjustments

I'll be honest. I saw your results for Fire and Gadgets and didn't really take it seriously. I've been doing A LOT of Tunso Tests and I'm of the few (only?) that have participated in every midrange update so far. I've done so many Tunso Tests my eyes bleed.

When you do that many you'll see that a single 5 minute test can actually vary A LOT. But if you keep doing them you'll see that they inevitably settle on an average that's "close enough" to the target values. I've seen a lot of Gadgets parses at this point.. so yours alone just doesn't phase me until I keep seeing it over and over again.

I'm not looking to change the range of BW. As Absolix quoted, and you confirmed, it is part of the AM, in the sense that it has power recovery.

I'm not sure what the damage is on Enflame. My concern was the damage Bitter Winds does relative to Wintry Tempest. I understand that they stack, but the one that has less risk shouldn't be doing more damage. If anything, I would think that the damage from WT should go down, or scale with distance, and BW should go up.

I agree with you that there should be more than one way to dps with Ice but this is not the thread to talk about it. Mepps made that clear when he cleaned up the thread. I was hoping that the buffs to abilities outside of the AM would make a clipping playstyle viable but that has yet to come to pass. Until the time when Tunso is open to such a change happening, we'll be spamming gust with the rest of the Ice users who want to be competitive and helpful to the group.

PS: NO PET POWER, PLEASE.

Just pointing out that Bitter Winds clips, and Enflame cannot.

Meant sorcery not society. Wonderful auto correct. Changed all the words even in this sentence

I just don't know why they forced us into a simplicity of powers. It's a constant loop of changes. Players don't know how to play, mostly, ones returning are out of the loop and many quit again. I realize the changes they are attempting to make. However, we don't have unbiased testing. People straight up lie about certain powers being weak or don't know how to test. I for one, will Not spend my time to test. If u want testers, pay up. It's obsurd people actually paid to test. Kudos to all that did. The developers, it is their job, to balance, and know the game and what it does. It's their job. Not ours. That has been the problem all along. I question do they know the game because it seems like they don't which I don't understand really. Yes now there r less developers. But alot of time and development was wasted on things never released. There needs to be a drastic change.

Well I think Karasawa summed it up really well, if any I would like to see a video that confirm your tests.

Yes plus I would like to add that while the damage stacks you can't clip BW in between the WT-CS-IB you'd have to use it as separate power. People don't run with it mostly because of that, it's losing precious artic gust damage while casting BW.

Which is why what undrline says makes total sense.

are you guys fixing Ice Elemental? right now its doubling your artic gust damage, is that intended?

Tunso, this statement defeats the purpose of the entire balancing campaign. Ice is extremely over powered.

-Ice is mobile while attacking with Arctic Gust!
-It takes one power clip to set up the AM
-Ice has no build up to max damage.
-Once its in the AM you can use Arctic Gust 5 times before having to refresh the AM
-If you are interrupted using AG you lose almost no DPS because the AM Cool down is so long and there is no build up to get back to
max dps. All you have to do is tap the breakout button, and on top of that you are immune from being interrupted again.
-Ice Elemental....Damage Role: +25% Critical Weapon Attack Damage, +25% Critical Weapon Attack Chance, +50% Critical Ability Attack Damage, +15% Critical Ability Attack Chance. For 30 seconds or more!

How can you turn a blind eye to that while working to bring all the powers to virtually the same potential DPS?
If nothing is to be done about Ice then I would like to be able to pop Distract and spam EMP until distract is off cool down. While being fully mobile.

More that a bit presumptuous to think that you have done more power testing that me. In any case like you have said results vary a lot which makes it a bit foolish of you to say that you don't take them seriously.
You misunderstood the reason I posted those, I wanted something for comparison. What came up from that array of tests were the results I posted.
In the video I posted bellow you can see Gadgets making ~35K DPS which is sort of the lower end of it's close range dmg. Even if that high dmg is rare ( which it is ) it shows the potential of the power. Ice at the moment does not share a similar one. I don't know if that is good or bad.

Sure, took the time to make 3 ( one for each ). I have to say I was a bit surprised with the DPS results on the videos. In the videos you can see only close-range dmg ( AG-FB-EMP ).

The DPS is calculated by 25x10 second parsers.

Cr: 126

Might: 10479

Prec: 3621

Ice:


Using AG:
Max: 42730
Min: 27642
Average: 32732

Fire:


Using FB:
Max: 44619
Min: 29480
Average: 36155

Gadgets:



Using EMP:
Max: 47305
Min: 25760
Average: 35150

One thing that needs to be fixed with Ice is its ability to keep the AM active even after you have died. In most cases if you use Wintry and Snap and die at any point in the next 12 seconds ( sometimes longer ), when you get up you can immediately do AM dmg using AG or Avalanche without having to recast Snap + Wintry.

Based on those test results and the others that have been submitted it seems fairly balanced in my opinion when you think about it in the context of actual content.

Pretty much yes. I don't see it getting any buff, hopefully no nerf either. I hope Tunso will eventually take the time to make something extra for its Am, it does need something to make it less monotonous.

I do a lot of testing also, but I only tend to post when (a) nobody or almost nobody else has, or (b) my tests come out higher or lower than what's previously published.

That having been said, Karasawa posts results in all of these threads. It's not really wrong for him to assume he has a lot of testing cred when he's always showing his results.

Now that I'm done with that, thanks for the videos. Good stuff.

Gadgets is stronger than ice right now, even with the sc. Reading tge post, it look like the ice elemental is meant to work that way

Yeah, it is, just in front of the sparring targets. In the alerts or raids are basically the same, due to the interruptions to gadgets while Ice can setup their AM right away.

I'm talking about in content. In raids/alerts gadgets is stronger

First, this thread is about ice mid range adjustments currently on test, second, both powers are "balanced", but ice is faster, leaving it to the top of the scoreboard.

Gadgets is stronger than ice, players are trying to get ice nerf when it's not needed.

bitter winds doesnt clip you can clip it but it doesnt clip other powers cold snap and ice bash do tho