I dont hate AM's

Discussion in 'Gotham City (General Gameplay)' started by DCUO ENTHUSIAST, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. Jacob Dragonhunter Steadfast Player

    Tunso's testing stuff was flawed pretty much everyone knew this when we were testing.

    Nothing wrong with AMS? Hello Celestial did as much damage as a Rage melee user, Gadgets dps did even more damage than rage melee.

    Electricity and Nature got ignored.

    Fire was expected to do the same damage as Ice, even though everyone knows Ice was quicker.


    You may like AMs, but there was a clear reason as to why Tunso's work was thrown out; and why they are rebalancing stuff now.

    #STOPwearingrosetintedglasses
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  2. Lord Jareth Steadfast Player

    Go look at wow, (World of warcraft) for folks that don't know, Guild wars or go look at any other mmo changes happen all the time, it's a mmo just like everyday life things will and can change.
  3. TechWarrior0329 Steadfast Player


    Totally agree and I'll add my two cents ..

    1. Last I checked there is not a single power that uses Am that has 6 different powers that all have combos and all generate power so once you get beyond those few powers that DO accomplish that there is nothing stopping anyone from adding in whatever other powers to their trays. Oh and don't we have a ton of web sites out there advising us on good builds for any given power? And didn't at least some of those exist before AM ever went live?

    2. It only made Trolls useless in the eyes of certain players. Now venture away from that nice little group of league mates you spend all your time with in game and do what I do.. Blind Que into mission and team with total strangers. You'd be amazed at just how many players there are out there that have no clue how to use Am properly and have all but no power after 5 seconds and a couple of attacks. I've actually been on team where I switched from DPS to Troll because it was painfully obvious not one team mate had a clue how to generate their own power and I thought it might be nice to actually survive and defeat the mobs surrounding us. Should get REALLY interesting to see how team building changes once Stat Matters goes live and AM and WM disappear.. even the players that DID know how to use those will be begging for trolls on teams again.

    3. This was the one that always puzzled me. So those players are saying they use every single power in their tray every time they attack anything? Funny because I have Super Charge Powers I ONLY use when battling a Boss and if its a mission I have done before and i know I can get past a sub boss without even using it and using a pile of my power reserve I save it for the final boss battle. Going to use my Atomic tank now as an example.... I have a trio of melee based attacks that allow me to self heal and even have in their description that they increase aggro affect. So with me while in TANK mode ..it isn't even a question of 1-2-3-4 more lie 1-2-3 over and over and over again as i watch the entire room of minions crowd around me taking damage from my attack, getting stunned by my attack and not paying attention to any of the other team mates i have beating them to death with AoEs. My other powers in my tray include one that allows me to increase my shielding along with the shielding for one team mate that has taken the most damage, One that i just a heal (guess when i use that?... Against bosses never had to use it on mobs) and I have one attack that causes mobs or bosses to lose aggro on any team mate and look for a TANK to attack. Heck most of my alts have a set group of powers I most of the time when attacking mobs... Some things in the tray are ONLY for bosses.
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  4. TheCursedOne Well-Known Player

    I love the AMs. It brings something different to each power. Not saying its perfect, but to me the AM is 10 times better then what the revamp is going to bring.

    I know if the revamp comes out anywhere close to where it is now, I'm gone. I know many other players, some that have been here from the start of the game will be doing the same thing. Its not all bout the AMs, but it is a big part of it. Back when the stats revamp first come out it was only going to be the CR scaling taken out and then make stats (SP mods gear) matter more. We went from that to completely changing the whole way the game is played.
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  5. Saint Nutella Loyal Player

    The real question is.... have you (and those agreeing with you) been on test?
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  6. Saint Nutella Loyal Player

    ^
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  7. JasonIsley Devoted Player

    /pickup
  8. pitbullb3 Devoted Player

    Tunso test was a great indicator of damage. Only exceptions is fire and quantum. Fire setups are prone to interruptions and quantum was glitches and I Don't believe the devs knew how to fix it so it was cap. Mental and gadgets was over-parsing with the regular loadout, so they are the op powers on live now. Without SC, all the balanced powers are doing about the same. At least tunso had a test, right now the testers had to make a baseline and run with it, fyi, the same way they were doing it up until the electric and nature revamp before they were told they were doing it wrong for years
  9. DCUO ENTHUSIAST Dedicated Player

    I didn't say nothing was wrong with AM's.

    I love how people make up their own words and statements derived from imaginary comments.

    I said I didn't hate them.

    They're fun. Combat is fun. Its fast, it's enjoyable.

    People are expecting this to somehow be the fix all, end all. Am I excited? Yeah. Am I putting all my faith into it? Well, it's kinda hard to. Sat through two and a half years of terrible nature burn while enduring time capsules, boosters, revamps to every dps power but nature, nerfs to lunges so gadget dps lose AM's, and a plethora of other silly, insulting updates that never once addressed nature.

    Does nature sound fun? Yes, sounds awesome.

    But am I putting am I putting all my eggs in one basket? Nope.

    After things like GU 35(?), or was it 43(? I dont remeber), the update where everything became cr based, ( and half the game left...but I know someone thought that GU was supergreat^), I'm reluctant to buy into anything without seeing it on LIVE.
  10. light FX Steadfast Player

    Edit: Never mind. So not worth trying to explain it. I will say drastic change is very different from minor change ;)
  11. Winter Sabel Dedicated Player


    You can still do a rotation with just powers if you want to.You just need to spec for it now.

    There were quite a few trying to kill powers from the tray (PftT) all together but there were a few that stuck their chins out and made sure that the DEVS didn't leave you or the guys that wanted to use iconic, movement or weapons out in the cold. More than a couple players can no longer give testing feedback or they were banned all together because they were defending the AM's that you like. Don't knock it until you try it. If it were not for these guys you would not have PftT, weapons, iconics or movement powers balance. You would have one style of play and that's all you would have.
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  12. Winter Sabel Dedicated Player

    You don't have a clue. You can still do all power rotations. You just need to spec your stats right & TBH You will be able to do it with a lot less Stat points than you think.
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  13. pitbullb3 Devoted Player

    I have a friend who play Wow and he said they never have major combat changes. I played ffxi for 4-5 years and we never had 1 combat change
  14. TheCursedOne Well-Known Player

    I have tired PFtT. You can not compare it the the AM. The whole PFtT is joke. Take fire. Lets see so I can hit them bigger power but then I HAVE to spam the lower cost powers which are Detonate and Fireball. Yeap, So my toon will be hitting them with Fireburst then give them all a long round of applause "Detonate" or throw a fireballs at them....repeatedly. Yea, that sound so much more fun then the AM we have on live. It also takes so much more skill to....( I know it more than that but that is how my feeling when testing it). Lets not even get in to the interrupts while casting powers part.

    I have still think the devs always listen to the wrong players that are testing the revamp. These players are really only looking at playing the game in one way which is hybrid, which is why it puts out more damage then the other ways and it much smoother while doing it.
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  15. Goddesssilver Well-Known Player

    Weapon expert does the most damage.
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  17. DCUO ENTHUSIAST Dedicated Player

    They always listen to the wrong testers. Testers dont play on LIVE because they get SMOKED. See it again and again and again.
  18. 9001BPM Steadfast Player

    I don't HATE am's but honestly, their removal is the only reason I'm even going to give the revamp a chance, because honestly I absolutely hate every other change they're making to the combat system. So looking forward to using my weapon to dps again, and to actually have options when designing my tray.
  19. Black Prime OG Devoted Player

    These are all your opinions, which are fine. Just because people do not enjoy AMs doesn't mean they're wrong either. They are literally making PftT for those less skilled and for something similar to AMs on live. You know pressing 1234.

    I play as a pet power and have very little respect for Ice, Munitions, MENTAL, and Gadgets dps. I have alts for all these powers. I play them when I'm bored and wanting something brain dead to do.

    Combing weapons and powers, while making sure of placement, and being heavy on the clipping is how I've always run as a dps. AMs have not only helped push people away from clipping, introduction of dovetails, but it made them super lazy. Most don't know their power past the AM.

    You know, people are worried about PUGs for a reason. I think a majority of our nature healers are gonna be in for a rude awakening. From PvP to pve, I'm ready to watch all those crutches pulled out from under ya and see ya fall flat on your face. A little harsh, I know, but having my play in question, for PvP, just because I refused to change to nature. I am so ready for the change.
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  20. DCUO ENTHUSIAST Dedicated Player

    Exactly. Pet power that complains about ice^.
    Pet powers are the most brain dead boring powers out there.

    Pop this power, let my pet do all the damage, tap sqaure 4x, hold square, clip flip slash, repeat, pets does all the burn, I think I'm great.

    Sound about right?

    Lmao