EOG is getting changed

Discussion in 'Gotham City (General Gameplay)' started by ArtemisWonderWoman7, Apr 5, 2023.

  1. Rejchadar Inquisitor

    Well... I don't know.... maybe then people should go to the test server, do tests, collect information, make a couple of videos ... provide it to the developers in an adequate form... and don't tell me about the fact that not everyone has a PC ... specifically in this thread, people scream that they spent hundreds or thousands on an artifact, a laptop for 200-300 dollars is more than enough for a test server...
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  2. Proxystar #Perception

    You don't need to school me on the use of the artifact, lol ;)

    I tend to think it's probably a little excessive, it obviously also can't stay where it currently is, but if in fact people do just all feed it then I don't think it was a reasonable balance, that's all.

    I'm genuinely quite curious to see where the dust actually does in fact settle, Given the only other artifact really nerfed was the venom wrist which turned out to be an over nerf, it'll be interesting to see whether this one repeats that process.
  3. Proxystar #Perception

    Hey, people can do what they want, I'm not here to say don't nerf it, I'm just a little skeptical about whether it's not just a little too much.

    That's okay though, it truly is no skin off my nose, I've got no loss of play style, I don't build my character ever where it's reliant upon one singular type of build, my character is the epitome of diverse lol.

    I could switch between might and precision overnight if anything changed, I have about 20 rank 200 artifacts with no strict dependence on any kind of build :)
  4. DeitySupreme Steadfast Player

    Haha that was more so for the others reading lol.

    The biggest difference between the venom nerf and this nerf is that venom wrist sole purpose was for dps. So as soon as it was nerfed it was changed for another artifact that would increase damage more. EoG just doesn’t have any other artifact that does what it does. They could nerf it more and there would still be nothing that does what it does. Pure healers aren’t really needed so that slot would default to a utility slot.

    And don’t get me wrong. I personally think it was over nerfed too. But this whole “it’s useless now” is just ridiculous (again general public and not you lol)
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  5. Proxystar #Perception

    Oh ok, and yeah I never said it's useless now, I just think it might be a bit too much :D, time will tell I guess.

    I think some people probably do just need to accept and adapt though, because this is going live on Wednesday you can basically guarantee it, so probably time to move on through the 5 stages of grief :D
  6. Rejchadar Inquisitor

    You may be surprised, but I also think that the nerf is too strong (if I'm not mistaken, even Deity thinks so...)...but I don't believe that Mepps with a gun in his hand pointed to the players' heads stood and demanded that they spend hundreds and even thousands for pumping EoG ... I would like people to see at least a little but their responsibility ...
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  7. HooLeeCow Well-Known Player

    What exacly nerfing EOG gona balance ? Use arguments not "delusion" i help you with this one NOTHING !
    People who dont know how to swap artifacts still gona sucks even after nerf becouse there will be next best artifact it aways works this way . Before artifact we had best powers whitch was nerfing all the time but it always was that one the best now thanks people like you they gona do it same BS with artifacts only this time it gona cost you more and in this scenario best decision people can make is play other games .

    Remeber to not cry after nerf "i cant que to content it takes ages" talk with people in game how they "love" this nerfing BS .
    Specialy this players who swap movement and made other artifacts that works with EOG those who you call "chasing score card" i call them people who know how to play and you have no clue what you talking about ! Balance the game thats good :)

    How you wana balance anything in DCUO where devs response to balance are changing every few months he cant even learn what is all about and we got new one.Try to balance this :)
    # bring Batuba back
  8. Proxystar #Perception

    Oh I don't think the devs did anything of the sort either. I do however sympathize with the anguish involved when something you've been using a certain way for 5 years suddenly gets changed on you, upending your habitual ingrained play style.

    No one likes change initially lol :)
  9. Goib New Player

    This thread has provided me with a lot of entertainment.

    On a serious note, a decent amount of powers benefit from this, so it is healthier for the meta as it closes the gap between the top powers a bit. The two that kinda need changes because of the EoG nerf are nature and ice but that’s a discussion for another time.

    Raids will take longer due to the nerf but at the other end of the spectrum, EoG also trivialized them. I have(had) a 200 EoG on almost all of my toons, but personally, I’m bored of the meta we’re in so I welcome the change. That being said, I would agree with someone if they had said the nerfs are pretty harsh, but 5 years of EoG being meta and it getting other things nerfed because of how strong it is also warrants it.
  10. MidLifeCrysis41 Well-Known Player

    You’re right! Look at ALL the adaptations they made to accommodate not nerfing this one art, back when they could have as soon as they seen there was an issue. But no! They chose the money path!

    But now it’s - wait! DB decided after 5 years - Nope! That’s it! Enough is enough! This is too out of control (after 5 years) we’re unable to balance (or attempt to balance) other powers and SC’s (btw! Name me one point in time ANY power has been balanced? Even close to being balanced actually. Is it now?) shields etc because of this one artifact that we could have addressed 5+ years ago? DB finally decided to deal with “the backlash” now? It took them 5 years to essentially get the balls up, and deal with potentially upset customers? This is a real possible scenario in your mind?

    When I bought this artifact & the soul cloak. It was the first time I’d encountered an EOG spam, and though. I’d like that for my healer! I made my current account in 2020, (can’t remember which month off the top of my head) played for 2-2.5 months. Then left for around 1.6 years. Came back to see if the game had picked up any. Played for about another 2.5 months, then left again for another 7 months. I’m back again around 2.2 months. Before my last 7 month break. As stated - I came across an EOG, and hadn’t seen it before utilised this way, and thought - that looks fun! So went and bought it and cloak and maxed them. When I purchased it - it took me a while to adjust to using it. But didn’t use it often, as I was feat grinding and building a tank took too. As there were about 5 in-game tanks it seemed.

    So… I haven’t been out there spamming this all over the game for years. I haven’t been exploiting anything. I’m f***ed off now! Because this is a change that’s doesn’t need to happen.
    Remove the stacking is the worst thing that needs to happen (and even that just needs lowered really)! I don’t use it as a dps! I’ve never had any player or group tell me after an instance, hey! Stop giving us SC! you’re not using that art properly! (Very, VERY much quite the opposite) so you have to ask! If the players don’t mind, and the users don’t mind, who’s wanting it nerfed? It’s the money men silly! They’d like to push a new meta. They’re just doing so in a way to make it seem like it’s “for fairness”
    Is it fair if I blow your score out of the water because I have maxed arts, and allies (certain combinations) augs, but only have 87sp? Would that seem fair to those who’ve ground out hundreds of sp?

    P.S. being transparent doesn’t involve deleting threads mentioning EOG being nerfed (under the guise that it may be misleading) but it wasn’t misleading. Was it?…
    Being transparent would have been an MOTD telling ppl about the upcoming nerf. I’m sick of saying this! It is upto the community manager to connect with the community. DC forums AREN’T the DC community. They’re an incredibly small number of usuals who sit and try and tear any any unfamiliar faces who come along with complaints. Or they pretentiously try and sound like a mod or dev. Sending links to similar threads and telling a person. Oh! This is where you need to go. We’ve seen this so many times.
    Maybe log off the forums for a month or so. Coke back… you may see new things not seen 1000000 times before, because of constant usage.

    This is about a meta change! If you can’t see that, and can’t see or refuse to see there was a very insulting and nasty money grab just before it too. You are the one who seems delusional!
  11. the solowing Unwavering Player

    Ok, so they are changing the META...What is the problem?

    You didnt have a problem with EoG becoming META, why is it a problem when that META shifted to something else?

    Cant win with this crowd, they want a game that doesnt get stale,

    but any threat to the status quo
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  12. Gam3r4Lif3 Dedicated Player

    People really acting surprised with this nerf.. the only thing I’m surprised about is how long it would be before it got fixed. The art can still be used so no you didn’t waste money or marks. But come on with a double EoG you could pop a SC the same amount of times as a 12 second dot power. That is a little suspect lol
  13. OneWhoLaughed Committed Player

    I’ve actively tried to avoid this thread, as I know I have a bias being gadgets prec rn. Truth is, the dps stacking nerf is the only thing that’s been truly nerfed for damage players. The damage numbers being redistributed into different brackets based on cost is actually not as bad as you might think.
    What this change does is force coordination, and artifact swapping the EOG.

    It’s crazy how many people are up in arms over this change when they haven’t even given it a proper test. This is exactly like solar amp, which is still a competent artifact post change. Just not full scale meta.

    The reason I’m anti change on this particular subject is scope. This change affects too many feats in game to be done so half-*****. Similarly, when changes are made without thinking about all possible consequences, is when we get backlogs of bugs that don’t get addressed for x amount of time.
  14. Burning_Baron Loyal Player

    I feel like if you spend money to level up artifacts(like I have) you have to also come to terms you are paying for instant gratification and what you spent your money on can become worthless with a patch. I honestly think it is nonsensical for people to really be mad that they invested so much and now it is nerfed. For the people that invested recently from a artifact xp week, I understand that may suck but they did say they were looking at EoG. Common sense should tell anyone not to put money into something that is on the copping block especially after how wrist Despenser turned out.
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  15. Drathmor Unwavering Player

    I doubt that you didnt spend anything. completion tokens, or art xp during sales or nothing I find highly doubtful. I save all my xp also and in-between double xp weeks you can get perhaps 2 up if you were really saving and getting lucky with breakthroughs and running nonstop ninth metals enhancers.
    so at max your talking 4 in a year

    don't really know what I'm arguing against as far as the thread but that statement just seems a little far fetched as I know what's possible in-between 2xp weeks as that's the game I play also

    ok ill change what I said as I thought about it more. ok if you lived and breathed DC and were on 8 hours a day perhaps
  16. Drathmor Unwavering Player

    I personally love nature and I agree its a shame what they did to it specifically because of EOG..
    would be super awesome if they went back through nature after eog changes and fixed some things
  17. OneWhoLaughed Committed Player

    I don’t think Quantum Edge is capping. I was able to save enough for just over 4 artifacts since last double. However I did technically spend, I had loyalty points and used them on perfected nth during the sale.

    And also the last cap, had a lot of artifact cats in it, I spent on opening that, which is inadvertently spending on the artifact I guess
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  18. Rejchadar Inquisitor

    You do not take into account the fact that it is possible to buy not only detectors from a broker, but also the nth caches themselves, it is expensive but fast for that.
  19. Drathmor Unwavering Player

    yea my buddy got more than two but he was buying things like booster bundles and other sale items that also have artifact stuff in them as well which helped give him much more. but just on the free stuff and even then only if your a member. If i remember right someone did a breakdown on how long it takes for members vs free to play or premium. and they are drastically different time scales.

    but to shore up my statements. I'm not calling Quantum a liar just that the statement is reaching a bit ;)
  20. Drathmor Unwavering Player

    you can buy the ninth cashes you get from running the detectors? never even thought about doing that huh. all my monoply money goes to collections generally
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