Earth's Crystal is Overpowered

Not all pet users defend it.
I find it ironic though, because when it was lesser known or even used, it was shunned. Now it's leaps and bounds better, and it's shunned lol. They just can't win huh?

Earth was absolutely garbage for a while, now Crystal gets the buff and it gets hated for doing good damage.
Sorcery is a different story. It had an exploit keeping the AM usable in T6. But then when it got fixed WM still prevailed even after the buff to Fury.

The hot fix happened and everyone hates pets now.
-_-

MAKE UP Y'ALL DAMN MINDS ALREADY.

LOL....

I am a long time Earth player, long before the power became what it is today. I mostly tank but I did enjoy playing DPS a few times. I will state this, I did not want Crystal to be have in the manor she does today. I wanted her hits to do less damage but do more of them with a bit less power usage. this would let Crystal damage not be add killer like many state but over a run it would be steady and not in chunks. It would mean that the devs would have an easier time finding balance; however, with the way the Pets operate powering them is an issue which is why some players use movement mode SC and try to run with Gadget trolls. Also, damage balancing around pets will also be in an issue due to the high burst damage.

I recently gave up on two toon simply because I lost interest in those power ATM. I'm enjoy Light, Nature, and Atomic toons too much and well I do not have the time any more to invest in 6 end game toons. I think 3 maybe a bit too much for me though I will try to keep those three close to max CR.

I am curious how the devs will balance Earth and Sorcery out after the weapons are updated. I mean if the devs do not do too much for weapons, I expect Pet damage to be adjusted due to the damage one can do with melee attacks with weapons, specificly flip slash.

Right now Earth and Sorcery are above the DPS threshold they were originally designed around due to the weapon update in September. It will be interesting to see what the devs do for these powers.

The devs shot themselves in the foot when they did these fixes to crystal and we all knew that it was gonna end this way...
You know better then most I'm sure...

Crystal being front loaded the way she is.. Was a mistake...

And you among me and others were advocating to try and bring aftershocks into the am ...in this last revamp of earth...

Sadly tunso refused to listen to us...

If crystal did 30% of the damage and the after shocks made up the other 70% things wouldn't be so bad and those who cry foul would be just griping for now reason

Duos wouldn't be such an issue although still crystal would be a monster in duos.. It would be more even...

Sadly the devs didn't listen and we got what we got...

But what this batch of cry babies refuse to listen to is that if we test the power set on testing dummies using the same amount of time... The powers that have been balanced are roughly the same in damage...

I suppose they could spread out crystals damage more and that would be helpful..rather then nerfing her..

But I still feel like they did a disservice to those who wanted to use aftershocks...

When earth was getting a buff.. Before any of the other buffs (this is the time prior to the first Amazon fury) there were two groups of earth players one who wanted the pet focused more and one that wanted more aftershock focus....

They should have made it a mix to begin with...

The am should be crystal/fortify golem/upheaval/jackhammer/reinforced/totem that should be the load out...

Instead of crystal being front loaded with itoh heavy damage.. You should have to hit fortify for her to even get that heavy damage

Fortify should be able to clip other powers as its a beneficial power

Totem shoulda been changed to a range cast power going under the feet of the target... So the rotation could go as follows


Totem clip fortify clip reinforce

Then from there depending on your distance from the targets...
Upheaval or Jack hammer...

Jack hammer used for mid to melee range and upheaval from mid to long range..

Remove the power cost of upheavals 3 after shocks and only allow the first three ticks of Jack hammer to do heavy numbers

Rinse repeat everyone's happy...

I don't need to tell you any of this though

I agree completely man.
At least have Crystal buff the Aftershocks or matter of fact, give a damage scalar similar to the weapon mastery crit window (maybe like 15% more damage than weapon mastery crit window)

ChromeWarriorXTC's superpower is reading things into other people's posts and jumping to conclusions. I could care less about the scoreboard or my place in it. I wouldn't care if they get ten times my score, as long as I actually get to play the game, and not just watch. THAT is my beef. If you aren't playing at 80 CR where my characters are, then the applicability of your combat log measurements to my observations is questionable at best, and completely ignores players I've watched coast by on their pets, deliberately doing as little damage as possible with their own weapon and powers.

You do, however, have a seriously cool signature.

I tried sorcery and I'm guessing it`s the same thing as earth. I'm wondering how people can have fun letting the pet do all the job. I'm clueless. Each their own playstyle I guess but dang I hated using sorcery with fury. lol So never gonna use earth.

Like others have stated. Pets hit hard and fast but after the initial couple attacks. The pets are kind of slow. I like the pets as they are. This whining about this being OP and that being OP is getting old. The power balancing needs to end. It has been taking way to long because of threads like this. This game has more issues that out way the pets by far.

As much as I appreciate your affection for my signature it does not change the fact of your original post on this thread. You said that you can not account for damage done. You said that you leave when you hear Crystal's laugh. You said that you have seen "some" earth players who tap a hit to get Crystal engaged and then sit back and let her do ALL the damage. These are things that "you" said. By that I don't have to read that:
A: If you can't account for damage, you are in fact keeping score. (Unless you are running this with a friend)
B: You classify all Earth Users based on a few. (Unless you run with Earth all the time, which by your third admission nullifies that)
C: You would discriminate someone based on the power they choose. (SHAME ON YOU)
Now I agree that the way things are there are some, I will not say many or all, earth players that do ALL the things you said. I also have repeatedly agreed in this thread that Crystal hits like a truck, at first.
The bad:
A: She gets in your way at crucial block moments.
B: Brick is a nuisance at best.
C: She hits hard at first and then claps her hands like a special ed student at a cotton candy vendor for the next several seconds.
D: Unless you stop and allow her meter to run back up and you decide to go B@lls to the wall for the rest she is as useless as a broom in a snowstorm.

I agree maybe the initial damage is high, but her overall for even a duo like First Piece is lacking. Especially when you play with a rage, ice or flat out noob that thinks they can Heal on the Fly.


Oh and I am 158 CR I don't know many players at 80cr unless they are F2P

And I agree X the scoreboard no more gripes about OP except PVP. Which is a whole different ball of wax altogether

The thing is that all balancing is being done at 126cr. That is the current testing standard.

Your observations, from what I've read, are based on lower levels.

At 126cr the player has every chance to equal the damage that the pet is dealing. You have the stats from gear and sp to be able to put out solid weapon damage.

At lvl15 there is an imbalance where the pet is basically doing all the work, which is the most common complaint. The npc health at low levels is so low that you don't get a chance to register damage past your front loaded pet. It's also a point that long time earth/sorc players don't see.

There is a point however where to do competitive damage you need to be doing 50% of the damage, as well as making sure you're maxing your pet's potential. Unfortunately the point mentioned is endgame raids.



The balancing methodology is flawed, and "pets are op" threads are the result.
As someone who has played earth long before WM & AM, I laugh at these complaint threads because I never thought I'd see the day. I also chew up and spit out any earth dps that lets the pet "do all the work".

Amen brother

Your asking for a nerf and that is against forum Terms and Service.

Ice is OP, Nerf it
Sorcery is OP, Nerf it
Earth is OP, Nerf it
Fire is OP, Nerf it
Nature is OP, Nerf it
Electricity is OP, Nerf it
Atomic is OP, Nerf it
Hard-Light is OP, Nerf it
Rage is OP, Nerf it
Celestial is OP, Nerf it
Munitions is OP, Nerf it
Quantum is OP, Nerf it

I suggest you take a look at the Mid-Range introduction thread, the time for fixing those power sets is near.

Patience is a virtue.

It seems that this is how your viewing it which I would consider it to be a misstep. Considering that I wrote this on March 9th it is a bit puzzling why you believed why I broke a rule. This thread was a success by the way considering how it seems to have become so informative.

Telling me to be patient is a bit inappropriate considering the duration of the problem. The time stamp on this issue starts when its created not when someone chooses to fix it. I also don't appreciate you trying to discredit my post either.

Yes, you could view my post the way you have and so could have the Moderators. Thankfully, it seems they have not chosen to read it and slap the disreputable term that you claim it is.

Note: I recommend noting the Salem Witch Trials to gain further understanding to how I view your post.

Best to just ignore posts like that bro.

They are just 'trolling trying to push ya buttons so they can feel better about whatever it is they don't like about themselves.

IT is quite obvious from the initial post that a nerf was never requested for any power. The Forum Moderators would have sent you a notice of some sort if you had violated any ToS and since this topic still exists I doubt you received anything of the kind.