Do you even like/need Trolls anymore

In both cases your really just a poopy dps. Most of the time youll still get 1-2 unrelated tells asking you to switch to dps. That buff to their stats are nice but alot of people would just rather have someone who can do 30mil damage themselves rather then boost them up 2mil damage.

I have absolutely no idea how to fix the controller role. None at all, im not a dev.
I recommend taking some power away from gear stats but that idea was frowned.

A artifact that actually turns controllers into real battle troll by giving up to 5-7% might increase in controller role will probably be the route the devs take because that seems like the simplest approach. A troll will still be below a dps in damage but only by 10 mil rather then the usual 20-30mil. People will talk about how much they hate battle roles but right now a standard control isnt worth having and a buff troll knocks people end stats up by what around 3mil? Imo thats kinda pointless too.

But i will say, i went tank and am absolutely loving it. FF is probably the most ive had in awhile. If your tired of getting treated bad as troll i recommend making the switch to healer or tank. Certainly dont waste time/money on troll artifacts. I did n I regret it because I rarely got to use them.

Huh?????? Yeah, ummm, no. Dom has nothing to do with either.

Well, it helps to actually read all the thread before commenting. I already said that I was wrong about that...

But, i guess it's easier to jump the gun.

A troll makes a bigger difference on content than an extra DPS. Some players don’t understand that because they don’t understand that debuffs (and buffs) greatly help the DPS numbers that are usually put out.

nah it's the dps job to pick up now since there ae 5 in a group.

this is why it usually takes so long to find a troll for raids, they are being outcast in the game. When they do find a troller and doesn't live up to their standards, then who's fault is it?

Its so hard to give a damn about the role anymore. I used to be a major "I need STATS!!!" person but now I just don't care. My stats and I don't really matter to the group anyway.
Trolls need to be made significant enough where the group has to wipe if we die. All the other support roles have that significance.

A large number of DPS cant be bothered to stop spamming buttons for a few seconds to do pickups; Their stats would suffer, they cant have that!

They rather wipe 20 times than pickup.

Yes. I like trolls. Regular power battery trolls, that is. But I like everyone who knows how to do their job.
Extra power is always handy when I'm healing or tanking.
My close friend is a power battery, he loves trolling whenever and wherever he can. Each time he sees someone with low power bar, he goes like "Oh that's my cue!" and switches. We get the job done, we have fun with it.


I do have somewhat of a conflict with Tetra-buff trolls, however, when I'm running my main. Because I already have Tetra at 200, my health pool is usually higher, so they're wasting a slot. And when I tell them about it, they refuse to change artifacts.


I like to troll as well, some of my characters are power batteries. I like to keep my group full, stun adds, debuff bosses, do pick-ups and use group shields during "Oh s***!" moments; in general make life easier for my team.
From my experience, alert runs with 1 troll + 3 dps are always more successful than 4 dps.

Are raids/alerts doable without a troll? In most cases yes. Is it smoother like this? Not really.

Though in duos I run as dps, because I know some people aren't happy to see a troll in there.
But I don't mind if others run it as long as they know what they are doing.

Trolls are severely underrated.

There aren't any kind of scoreboard numbers that dictate how good or bad a troll is. Its something you feel in battle. This is why a good controllers contributions usually go unsung.

As much as I hate artifacts and the general direction combat has taken since the revamp I'm starting to find being a controller exciting again. I have several options on hw to play my character according to the content and the groups needs depending on what artifacts I equip and how I spec my skill points.

Its the little wins that count for me. encasing a stray ad thats just about to jump on the healer. having a dps state "holy moley my might/precision just jumped up 20k because of your buff. watching dps flail away at a boss with just a sliver of health and it only going down when you cast the defense debuff on it.

I would like to see controlling carry a little more "tangible" weight or to make things so theres a better synergy between them and tanks but really things aren't so bad.

i mean you can finish most content without a healer as well...

This is not just about trollers but also about Tanks and healers support rolls in general that became less and less effective sadly its mostly about DPS.. we need the content to be designed towards support rolls.

By less effective i mean that the difficulty on the support rolls has decreased

Do directly answer the title yes, LOVE trolls
Debuffs/buffs = much faster burn for the team then switching to dps period. The rest of the dps’s will put out SUBSTANTIALLY more damage with the buffs an debuffs than the troll will do by swapping to dps.
Anyone saying different is flat out wrong.
I have tested this in all content we could get into and tested multiple times over. I cant find a single instance where its more beneficial to the group to have the extra dps instead of a good troll.

Now, this (IMO) comes from a lack of understanding on how the game works. And also how roles work.
To each his own but even alerts, i will ALWAYS take a dps, troll, tank, and heal in there if possible. Its NEVER a better/smoother run by stacking dps’s. If you think so your wrong or over-geared. If your wrong, educate yourself. If your overgeared, then it matters not what role ppl are in an leave ppl to be.
If i got told to switch, i’d tell them to F off.

Thats the super short version w/out reading details or any comments or anything. Going off title alone

Dom doesn't affect Debuff strength or duration (those are fixed, and can only be altered by the Amulet of Rao and the Bird of Prey Comlink) - Dom also doesn't affect Aggro.

It DOES affect Crowd Control - the capacity to stun/pull, basically, is determined by Dominance. The entry amount of Dominance in an On Duty menu instance is the minimum required Dominance to use Crowd Control in that instance.

It also has an affect on Heals and Shields, so it IS important.

And someone else pointed it out already too, but I figured I would point out WHY, since near as I can tell? No one bothered doing that yet. And here we are in year 10 and people still don't know what Dom actually does.

Also, not for nothing, pedantry as a response to being verified as incorrect doesn't make you less incorrect.

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I was thinking about that when I said it, i was thinking of crow control - but said the wrong thing after waking up early and not having any coffee yet...
I have already admitted to having being wrong. Just because you decide to let me know once again something I already know and admitted to a day ago, doesnt make YOU any more right or me any more wrong.
I bet it makes you feel good tho... so, enjoy your dopamine hit... it will only last about 10 minutes.
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And someone else pointed it out already too, but I figured I would point out WHY, since near as I can tell? No one bothered doing that yet. And here we are in year 10 and people still don't know what Dom actually does.
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Just because someone makes a mistake, doesnt mean they don't know something after 10 years....

again... more dopamine for you... enjoy it.


Pedantry gives ME that dopamine you have been hoarding.... and about that.... Who decided to make a big deal about something that had already been discussed and even forgotten? talk about pedantry.

Also, I am an old person with a very short temper and hate people who like to take any opportunity to make themselves bigger and the cost of making others feel smaller.

Have a great day!

Regarding Trolls -

If people were Smart, they would be using Controllers in literally everything: Controllers provide debuffs, a pair of Controllers with Burst Power overlap makes it functionally impossible to run out of Power (even if you're running cancel-heavy Mental Might Invis rotations), and Controllers are the easiest of the three Support Roles to run as a DPS while retaining the majority of the Support Role functionality.

Running a straight Controller is a no-brainer. It's a second, continuous source of Crowd Control, it's another Heavy Group Shield, it's a continuous Power regeneration source, it's a continuous source of reduced enemy output on between 1-3 fronts.

Galea can retain 49K base Precision and enough Vitalization in a Controller build to produce 1300+ a tic POT, retain a Defense Debuff, and still produce enough Damage out to place her in the top 3. I have a harder time doing that with a Healer or a Tank - unless the other DPSs suck, which happens.

I think Battle Trolls mostly have a bad name these days due to overeagerness and a lack of understanding; I know this because I've even had to explain to people I play with on a daily basis exactly what I can and can't do multiple times when I'm in that build. And no - you can't run a successful Battle Troll with a CR Skip using level 60 Arts and a hot 100 SP.

But yeah, I think it's far from dead.

EDIT: Pot seemed a little high, double checked - always do the math first. My bad.

Did they change it yet to where your dominance effect duration, cause I haven't read that?

Go get a second cup, I think you need it.

Dominance only affects shield strength, crowd control, some tank healing mechanics and a small portion of healing for healers.

I haven't seen any hard documentation indicating that it does (yet) - I think the biggest takeaway is mostly "have enough to beat the Entry Dominance on the content so CC does work and you'll be good", since almost nothing that is susceptible to CC is going to be around long enough for it to matter in the long run, and it won't matter for anything that isn't susceptible to it.

This topic is supposed to be about the problem with Trolls in game. not about personal feelings and people who want to make themselves feel big.

Hopefully MEPPS or anyone else with the power to do it, would be so kind to lock this thread or even delete it.
Better before it gets out of control.