Cr is more important than Sp

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Players with high SPs probably have high CRs. If they grind for feats, they will have grinded for end-game gears.

It depends how you want to play the game if you just want to run raids and beat the content and just have fun playing then your right cr is all that matters, but if you want be a really good player and get the max out of your character than sp is extremely more important, I just ran a raid where a 104 cr dps with 177sp SMASHED a 108 cr dps with only 90sp and honestly when I've seen this as I'm sure tons of other people have, good luck trying to convince people cr is more important than sp.

it's all about the player

The only one that comes to mind is the CC bountru feats. With that said, I've been told that if you complete all the bounties in one day you can reset them. So, none i suppose

The problem within these statements is that people look at their SP as a means of measuring their effectiveness in combat, However they dont take into account the stats they get in their gear. If you asked these players to not use their gear and solely spec into sp and run the same content they will fail it miserably because SP though it is important is not as important as having the gear necessary to compete certain instances.

If you look at it like that neither is CR worth anything.
Any gear you can use now will push your CR up, even if it is not in the role that you play as. Being able to go into content with the right CR is one thing, but believing to be effective in it because of it another. It is easy to get your CR up, that does not make it anymore reliable than SP then.

I think a certain amount of SP should be just as much a requirement than CR, its either that or none at all and then see how hell breaks loose. And before someone picks up on this, with certain amount I don't mean 100+, but with CR 100, WM amount of SP can be doable.

if you are T6 and u have below 90sp, then that is just sad. I'm not saying you should have 170sp, but it is important to unlock the crits, and bet the WM bonus stats.

Both are equally important and one is useless without the other. That being said some cr requirement's are way to low anyone can reset raven a few times and q right into lockdown even though he has no business being there

Sorry completely disagree with you op, can't even figure out why you would even suggest it unless you just want to flame, for everyone else that has some common sense, I'm cr 104 and only sp 73, I've done all the obvious feats and am thinking that it must be styles and base collections I am missing to increase, seems to be taking forever.

Yes and no. CR does make the majority of your stats, and 80 SP is about enough to have full WM capabilities. My disagreement is this, when WM was introduced most of the tier 1 innates were changed to crit % mag or chance. That said, a % increase in crit mag/chance goes up every time your stats go up from a CR increase.

Nobody is saying that SP means MORE than CR, we are saying they are equally important to raise. Here is a scenario:

108 CR 80 SP with WM
Do a rotation 100 times against sparring target without any mistakes.

vs

108 CR 160 SP with WM
Do exact same rotation 100 times against sparring target no mistakes.

Now these are both using the exact same power/rotation/gear/etc, the only difference is one has double the SP so has all of the crit chance/damage buffs and the other only has WM and a couple of the crit buffs. The one with double SP will do SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than the one with only 80 SP.

Oh, and if you pay attention to the "tips" in the loading screens, the DEVS have one that states SP is equally important to CR. If you have enough SP to get your WM and all your crit % increases, then every single stat you increase as you gear up your CR means that much more because the crit %'s will buff it even more.

Ex: You have an attack that CRITS for 1000, SP gives you a 50% crit mag buff(just random numbers for arguments sake), that 1000 becomes 1500.

CR goes up, now that attack CRITS for 2000, SP will now make that 2000 = 3000

CR goes up again, attack CRITS 10,000, SP now makes 10,000 = 15,000

Say you do 10,000,000 in damage in a raid, with high SP that could be 15,000,000. Now these aren't actual in-game numbers, just an example of how important SP can be when coupled with CR. It isn't supposed to be CR VS SP, its supposed to be CR working WITH SP.

A person can have half t6 healer and half t6 dps gear... Have all the wrong mods socketed and still reach 108cr with sp in the 30's. Guess what you have? A horrible hearer and a horrible dps. And your telling me that cr is what matters? I couldn't disagree more.

What's funny about this argument is that one of the messages that pops up on various splash screens states that skill points are just as important as combat rating....... Rendering both sides of the argument incorrect. Do you people even read? Something tells me that the kind of person willing to feverishly debate a moot .....and incorrect point is the same type of player that will tell you.....also incorrectly..... How to perform your role while simultaneously neglecting the role they are cued for......and calling you a newb and saying you suck. Congratulations, you have all just proved even simple directions a nine year old could follow, have eluded you. Ha

I agree!! Being cr108 sp38 makes me the same as cr108 sp150+ ;-)

Also.....having a low amount of sp usually indicates someone blasted their way to a high cr. high cr is nice but remember, it's just a suit. Amount of sp can tell a bit about what type of player is in that suit. Hi sp indicates the player took time to learn the levels, the mechanics, that strategy. Hi cr with low sp tends to indicate the contrary.....and who wants to be stuck in a level with somebody that didn't bother to learn the game?

again, tell that to the devs, not us.

People are making such odd comparisons to try and win their point.. Let's just keep it true and simple:
Take 2 dps's that knows what they're doing... 1 of them have 80 sp and the other one has 150 sp.
Which one of these dps's will most likely show better results in an instance? I think the answer is pretty easy now, isn't it?

It's pretty obvious that gear is the number one priority to get since it's the base-core of your stats. But being able to combine your gear with a high amount of sp, how can that NOT be something to strive for? SP won't automatically give you a superskill to crush everyone, but it gives your toon the potential to do so, since you got various innates for your role that you don't get from your gear, other than the socket affinities.

I just think it's insane that people keep making these threads and statements against having a good amount of SP, with WM being
so important. Not to mention all the various new stats each tree has for every role, since WM. Those new role-stats alone does a lot of difference compared to the original innates we had before.

I've been all alone in Lockdown with my controller gear at about 104 cr and still kept power up. I'm fairly certain that without my skill and 158 sp this would not be possible. Gear is important. But skill and sp are equally important. A decent league should be able to help you hit the 110-120 sp mark pretty easily.

is the opposite...sp is more important.carried by others u can reach cr 103 in 3 days playing about 4 hours a day.
so....sp can tell us if you are a good player or not,at least in most cases.
is not elitism,but when i run lockdown(now) or paradox(6 months ago) i don't want a cr 103 with 45 sp.no way!
a good rule is have sp always higher than cr.
don't hate me for this,but you need a lot of sp in this game.

CR IS more important than SP but SP is still too damn important for competitive gaming (especially post WM).

Unfortunately after reaching a certain amount of SP it's very difficult to get more since many feats are bugged and it's no longer possible to complete them without the devs fixing them. Unfortunately many players who have completed them early (much of the vocal community) no longer need to worry about it, so the devs don't really care about fixing them as the majority is already content with getting high cr and not enough sp and the minority vocal ones have most feats anyway.

I think getting around 100 sp is enough for DPS/Trolls/Healers for all the crits. Tanks on the other hand could benefit more from high end health-dominance stats.