Any chance GU41 testers can set up a 4s or 5s scrim?

1.5m from your dps, compared to 800k-1.2m from our "fake trolls" + power out along with that. I'm sorry, but your set-up would gets stomped against the USPC set-up. I've just watched a video of EUPS's supposedly "best" scrimmage team, it was horrid, nobody bothered to even farm immunities off of the healer spamming wm combos out of the group. That healer would have been wiped out in seconds standing that far away from her group if facing a good team. If this is how you guys scrimmage, then I truly feel bad for the competitive PVP community of EUPS. If you guys ever come over to USPC, we'll be more than happy to teach you our "goofball" ways.

Let's compare videos shall we? You guys do the math.
Penthouse vs Penthouse - USPC - 2 heal | 2 troll | 1 tank.

Gravity vs Gravity - EUPS - 2 heal | 1 troll | 1 tank | 1 DPS.

Mind me asking what team that is? Lol that Gravity team is nowhere close to the best team out there.. don't even recognize half those players.. At least get your facts straight m8 - The healers on those teams are not even the best on our server

That group would get stomped against any good team on EUPS.. You went and picked that video?

Our normal trolls are hitting 1 mil dpsing on their own with troll gear and keep the group powered up just fine, and yes ofc they will hit that damage out in a defensive match..

Put them up against a good dps on any server and I doubt they will be hitting that hard and keeping the group powered up as well, especially under fire

EDIT: The main trolls power out isn't even that great any decent troll can put out more power than those two trolls combined m8

They claim they are the best, if you feel they aren't then maybe you should challenge them since they are a part of your server and this is the first video that popped up. Like the other guy said, "There's plenty of EUPS scrim vids blah blah", if you want to be specific, post a video of your own and we can compare properly. Your normal trolls won't even get close to 1m dps on our "defensive" set-up sorry to tell you. But enough of the talking, this thread is supposed to be for setting up scrimmages via test server correct? How's tonight?

I don't play on PC m8, else I totally would.. Ask Eminience, hes quite keen

I only just started recording bro (PS4), I'll put out plenty when the new season comes so you can check.. Not to sound funny but there are loads of EUPS PVP videos out there, I'm not gonna flood this thread with them..

Doubt they claim they are the best, I know most of Gravity they got some good players but unfortunatley that video you saw doesn't reflect on the quality of some of the players they have.. If you are gonna speak about our server at least have some accurate data about what goes on lol, we used to fight them quite a bit (not so much now cause pvp is kinda broken)

Heres an MT video, those guys always put out a good fight



FMH hasn't put out vids for a while but thats gonna change

USPS Players don't even know how to play :'D i watch ya'll videos everyone doing their own thing never working as a team. Its like handing the controller over to kids and they're smashing them on the floor

As i said, i am explaining why the reason of 2 trollers, pre Gu41.

Not really. Guys with that setup have tried vs us, and is actually easier. The worst dps, is the dps that actually is nullifyed. A dps troll compensated the spike by team spike vs single spike as i explained.

Let me put it this way: While the dps setup adds pressure on 1 target, 2 controllers setup pretty much wears down the whole team evenly. No need for extra damage if you have 2 healers with a cancelled pot.

The thing is, whos going to be debuffed by the tank.
And please explain the "cheap" thing? Cheap because is hard to beat? Cheap because no one uses it? Cheap because ppl is not used to it so it´s considered that way? Cheap because is bad?

Don´t get me wrong. Am just trying to understand this. Because, let say you were going to a MMA fight. But on your gym you only do boxing. And you get in the ring and the moment you go, you are nullified by a takedown/submission. Why is cheap?

Just trying to understand you guys. Because on our side, people try to scrim us with different setups, and we actually have to adapt on the go no matter what the setup is.

Numbers are cool and all, but how many kills do you actually get?

This is what you guys fail to understand, it's not about the scoreboard damage, it's about the kills.

After watching spartys vids, gotta say power cost is kinda out of hand. Maybe you can justify it 1v1 but as Phil's been saying, USPS EUPS both run 1 troll setup. If you say adapt and go 2 trolls, well, pre gu 41 that would bring up contraversy as well, because of matches lasting too long. Especially since they didnt increase the amount of base power players have, its kinda turning scrims into, "use 4 powers then die" type thing.

Increase counter damage further and then you can run with whatever setup you want and people will still die. If 5k crit is the highest a DPS has seen, it's too low considering most good players won't allow you to counter punish them.

Well the pvp gear now has alot more base might more so than pve gear so power crits will be higher than on test but your regular WM combos drop a little due to no longer having the precision buff from our weapons.

In a 1v1 situation a counter allows time for a bigger stronger combo that deals more damage so you don't need the counter itself to do a lot of damage just make use of the time after the counter to do damage. Then in a situation with no counter gained / lost comes down to power management and sustained dps / heals / immunitys. Either way feels more like its focused on player skill rather than luck.

All im saying is that DPSes are always under constant pressure and they still put out good burst and get kills, I just don't see the second troll being that much of a benefit apart from the debuffs.. As I could see from the scorecards and your game plan you seem to target the heal and both trolls combined usuall put out between 300-400k power.. Single trolls can put out that power and do as much damage as your damage troll -

Guess it comes down to the offensive vs defensive tactic, If the tank and dps target your damage troll then I don't see him being doing as well.. Also you can debuff the power troll with an AoE. You'd be surprised how some healers can still keep the group up with little power

Then again with this update stuff will change regarding debuffs and white mods

If I had to bet the group with the DPS set up will get the kills

It´s when the 2nd troll comes handy. The healers most likely keep him up no matter what. On the other hand, the team with the dps will have starve slowly while the 2 trollers wear down the other team.

Honestly, we can keep going back and forth all day. But I´ve given solid examples, and the only thing i hear back from you is related about doing more damage. We have faced teams with the dps setup, and with 2 trollers setup. The 2 trollers is the one that give us way more problem.

On the other hand, have you faced strong teams with 2 controller setups? And still no one has explained why it´s considered "cheap".

Damn after reading some posts above I really think PS players should be able to test this PvP season 3 on pc test..

I haven't in forever, and not since scrimmages have been on.. Ask Junglejim I wasn't really around in those older days

As for more damage I mean the group with the DPS will most likely get the kill and the lack of damage from your damage troll won't probably kill us.. Also as I said the single troll can pump out as much power as those two combined so the healers will still have power to heal.. I'll give the pot removal and debuff on the healers.. The DPS side has the burst going for them

Unfortunately we can't scrim else I totally would get our 5s team, just by watching the games and comparing the scoreboard in terms of kills, damage out, power out and healing out it gives a clear idea.

We can go back and forth as you said, I appreciate your test scrimmages & hope you see this conversation as a debate rather than an argument.. Its gonna have to be an agree to disagree

That's what I was getting at - pretty much every power gives you more than one way of breaking out of a hard stun. Counters don't really provide you with a consistent way to get off a combo in arenas as legends does, hence the need for higher damage.

True this. Don´t get me wrong you guys have a different approach. You rely on the spike.
We rely on combined spike, but neutralizing 2 legs of the team.

I would love we could set PC vs PS at some point. Anyways, if you guys need some particular testing let us know and we can try it out on test.

Have you tried any 4s? If so is it still a 1 shot fest or is it better? and if by any chance you got the base stats of full Nighwing/Hush gear (un-modded) that would be quite cool

Thanks in advance