Allow inspect into SP

This is a fair compromise. Not only does he have a differing opinion but he acknowledges the issue and proposes a compromise taking both sides into concern.

Why would you want to run with someone stupid enough to judge you from that? I don't understand that mentality. This guy is a jerk, he is asking for my SP, but I totes want to pug with him.

Thats where im trying to stress a point. If you're pugging amd you need to finish content, you never know what kind of players you run into. There are alot of guys out there like him and if theyre able to see your sp you could be kicked before you even notice because they judged you prematurely, just by your sp

Okay, well that is his right. He doesn't want to play with you. Why are you forcing people who don't want to play with you to play with you? For whatever reason. Are you on the game right now? Play with me. Right now. I don't care if you dont want to play, I want to play with you.

When Dox came out I would like you do take 1 troll and 1 heal and beat it with 6 randoms - grasping for air are you lol...
What raid in the current game is that difficult? Hell if you want to use dox as an example there are good players that solo the bosses in there for fun. Sorry you have another excuse for invading random peoples privacy?

If he doesnt its fine, but why is it he has to be kicked? He has just as much a right to play as the other guy right? So he can also leave if he doesnt like it. There are options on both ends of the spectrum. Im not saying you have to be forced to play with him. I always vote to excuse myself if i feel like there are complications. I'd give them a chance to play it through it instead of kicking because they dont measure up to my standards

Oh boy, I feel like i have to teach a little logic lessons but oh well:

When you change asking "SP is completly irrelevant to take a decision" to "SP is irrelevant" we know we have communication troubles , you are not addresing the ISSUE I'm saying that it is "completley irrelevant to take a decision" but i will help you with that

"Wrong. It makes your character stronger and can be an indicator of experience.
You never said you wanted a Strong Character; but TRUE, it does make a char a little more strong
(what's the difference between a 70SP char and a 170 SP char) Find for yourself, run any instance twice alone, one with 70 SP and other with your MAX, check how long it takes you ALONE, and tell me how it was IMPOSIBLE WITH 70 SP or how you would have died in A&B; but let's not drop from the main issue...
"EXPERIENCE" =>again, which of the actual Feats actually demonstrate a "Deep Knowledge of the Game"; in T6 armor all the INSTANCES ARE a SPAM POWER CONTEST, so reRunning something your league went through does not at all help you to SM
Getting tons of SP

With more information you get more efficiency. If you can honestly sit there and say being efficient means lucking into a good group then you are crazy.
The problem here is you have fall in the trap TO THINK that asking the SP to someone (which already is Rude) is the only tool in your disposal, MMO Vets knows that even looking into the Gear/level or even Maximum Damage of another player is NEVER a Good Indicator that "I WANT to Run with THEM"

Can they follow indications? did they show they knew the instance? did you asked them if they needed help? could you tell if they were hesitating? did you think i want to run with them even if we have a little trouble because it would be fun?

"When you have the proper tools it is not random" Exactly. This is a proper tool. This is a tool that helps you gain information.
Not the ONE YOU WANT!!!
You haven't prove IS THE PROPER TOOL
You won't know how easily they dodge, know the objectives of the instance or even how long they have played,


"It is never your fault" Never said that. It is not my fault if random is random. Why? because random is random. Thats like saying its my fault I didn't get the drop I wanted. I should have controlled the RNG, right? (the last one is even more ridiculous but, for every mature person, not getting what you wanted is your own busines)

It is not my fault if random is random. It isn't; IT ISN'T RANDOM, you make it random because you don't know how to form Groups, if you did, it would never be random
"Thats like saying its my fault I didn't get the drop I wanted"; to have the SP you have you gotta get the DROP you Wanted because you patiently look for it or save it to Buy IT or got Lucky

"Sorry but this is confirming" How? Oh you aren't going to actually argue your point? How hypocritical. No, you just said that is Random when it is not, you just said that if people doesn't tell you their real SP you can't take efficient decisions

"Your friends inability" All wrong. SP is important. Lying gives you wrong information. You are claiming a lack of group forming skills based on wanting information? So you thinking "group forming skills" is taking the first people that respond? That is random. That is not efficient. Any success your group has you had no real control over and was completely random.

"Based on wanting information? => No, Based on not taken a right decision nor doing a good talk to ensure you took a right decision
So you thinking "group forming skills" is taking the first people that respond? And deciding based on the SP is? if you think forming a group is taking the first people that respond MAN, you re very confused, You thinking that at this moment, you don't already have the tools for forming an Efficient Group is the main issue here, ASK, ask politely and people will HELP, so far you are not asking are demanding, AND DEMANDING A BROKEN TOOL that is

=>The point is RESULTS, We Run and the Runs ARE Succesful, We are happy, the people we run with are happy;

i did have to quit pugs at the begining but not when i learnt how to run things smoothly, when i lacked skilled i used to think that it was other people fault, when i learnt the content i suddenly discovered i almost NEVER had to backed down an instance
(i'm premium so when gear is broken is broken = Game Over)

"Bring results" See, knew you didn't know what it means. Being effective means bringing results. Being efficient means bringing those results with in a well organized, consistent, quick, maximum productivity and competent way. Something randomness can't guarantee.

And you still are not saying how knowing SP is the only piece of the puzzle you have missing
We are running succesful Runs, you are the one complaining that Can't do with the Tools Available,
A succesful run in which we Enjoy and Get Satisfaction

So again. You are saying getting random people and completing a mission fast is something that efficient people do without explaining anything. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.
Nobody said that, you read it and interpret it on your own (wrong) assumtions,
Specialy because it migth be very different,


When someone is IGNORNAT of what One Ignores, He will believe HE ALREADY KNOWS,
You ignore the Fact that Forming Group requres skills and just pretend you are able to

Get back to the topic,
Issue here is you don't have the skills to gather the information,
We do, and prove is we run smoothly

Yes he does. But he has no right to play with people who don't want to play with him was my point. If he is kicked, multiply people wanted him out. Its a majority rules. You're right, there are options on both ends of the spectrum. That has been my point.

The skills to gather that information are non-existent.

Why should I only take the current game into account? Why not past content? Why not future content? The devs said they planned for the new raids to be tough again. Why should a tool be implemented on a dlc to dlc basis? Yes, they do it for fun now, not when it first came out. They have better gear and.. more.. more.. more... SP.

No invading privacy whatsoever. Apparently you people don't understand what the word optional means.

Finally we are getting close,
You think they are not existent,
how come we are able to form competent groups where you think is a random thing?
You still haven't asked so i'm not telling, but they exist and are quite powerful,

The tools to gather that information does not exist is what I am saying. That is fact.

That's the problem. The people that want to know CR/SP up front are the unskilled ones. They're the ones who ask for a challenge, yet stomp their feet at the first wipe. They don't have the skill to get through content without stats maxed out. They need to be carried. They are the elitists.

Based on what? Its elitist to want to see CR/SP. Its elitist to exclude. How are these people beating content to get the high CR/SP if they can't complete the content? Makes no sense.

A. It has been addresed how it would still bring exclusion despite being Optional and i Did Mention it Does Require you to know I'm not Sharing, no Available Button, if you want to know you HAVE TO ASK AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD, No need to request a Statment or Certificate; it still creat social pressure and is a decision someone else want to put on myself with hineous intention

B. You keeep asking arguments but you don't stop to read them nor refute them, so SHORT ANSWER: NONE OF YOUR BUSINES, NO OPTIONAL JUST FOR MEDDLERS CONVIENCE, NO BULLING EXPLOITABLE TOOL,

Yea please, along with CR just like NPCs have.(The latter HAS to be be inncoming, the "30" is beyond redundant.)

YOU DON'T KNOW THEM, THEY ARE PLAIN AND SIMPLE,
Still you refuse to ask them so your call

And that's what proves your ignorance: You ASSURE they Do Not Exist, when in fact EVERYONE is able to use them

A. Exclusion =/= No Privacy. Yes, currently I have to take your word. Your word means absolutely nothing to me. Facts do.

B. I do read them. And I reply to them. You must not be reading the replies. Not a bully tool. Not a meddlers tool. A game tool for a game. Optional =/= No Privacy

this statement right here proves that your reason for making SP visible is nothing more than a tool to help you exclude others you deem unworthy from running content.

you say making it optional is a compromise, but it's not much of a compromise when the end results will still be the same.
"this guy has his SP turned off, must mean he's hiding something, don't bring him/kick him"

IMO , there are only two reasons for wanting visible SP.
1) to use as a tool for exclusion
2) to use as tool to inflate ones sense of self worth

sorry, but neither of those reasons are enough to implement this visible SP nonsense