Allow inspect into SP

currently i describe it by saying that you can play thru a lack of skill points

Face it, some people get their jollies from being able to pass judgment on others... no matter what it is. They do this to feel better about themselves, it makes them feel superior, if they can denigrate someone else. To an everyday player, SPs should not matter, the performance is what is most important. So many players these days act like DCUO is a JOB, that it isn't for enjoyment, but solely as a proving grounds for their superiority. That's fine as long as it doesn't hurt other players, but what some people are asking for here WOULD hurt other players and thus would force more players to leave, force less income for DCUO and force early server shutdown. Sometimes I think that is exactly what some people want; their negativity and angst towards others here is truly disheartening.

While I agree that there are too many bad players at high levels thanks to being carried, finding more and more ways to judge and abuse them is not the answer- doing that only serves to create even more negativity and angst- becoming a vicious circle that will never end.

I support displaying any person "Skill Points" but at the the same time I support the removal of "Kicking" because it's been abused ever since I started this game. I watch countless of people given the boot half way or at the last boss of content. People are trying to work together but people abuse the system just so a league member can join or "Overpowered" player. Just imagine if there was no kicking just like in duos you can't kick ether leave or work together.

Im expressing my opinion that viewing someones SP isnt a great idea for reasons ive stated a plethora of times. Ive not gone and told people, " you wi not do that", but rather explaining why im against it. And again, its the design of the mechanics of the dlc. If you have a halfway decent troll or tank, the alert is a cakewalk. There isnt anything particularly difficult about it, its more of an endurance/ awareness test imo. But how could they make it so healers would be included again? When the raids role around healers will be in high demand. But all it takes is that one healer who feels they can solo heal before we get a repeat of role exclusion thats happened in past content. People have different ideals and will go about things the way they want.

Are you sure you know what the word "compromising" means?

First time you try to argument your position, cool!!!


"open yourself up to being fed the wrong information" That's why no efficient player needs to ask the SP is completly irrelevant to take a decision; Ask and whatever information you recieve, you Deserved to Have It,
Get, and what you get is Yours

"building a party becomes random"
When you have the propper tools, it is not Random, you just don't have the tools nor are asking for the ones you Need,
Why do we know? Because we can consisntently run succesful and enjoyable Runs,

"No matter how you spin it and it is no my fault"
This is of great importance, right? Is NEVER your Fault, it will always Be Other People Fault,

"building a party becomes random"(..) Random is not efficient"
Sorry but this just keeps confirming my points that you don't have the ability to form Efficient Groups;

And even more important:
"My friends carrying 4 liars or having to kick them and regroup is not efficient"."
you are not even efficient to convey a proper problem in order to find a solution:

Your friends inability to form a group and wrongly misguided faith on the SP Question (which would only be asked by someone with lack of Group Forming Skills) has him running with 4 people to which he can lead to Victory

Being efficient means bringing results, and YOU, yourself, are Assuring you are unable to get them with the current configuration of the systema... then... BIG SURPISE: OTHER PEOPLE DO

Don't know you but you just prove my point
Edit, Wrong Quote lol, i fixed

What I am saying is you want the option not to exist at all. If you get what you want you are indeed denying people. If I get what I want I am not denying someone their privacy. That is the difference.

How could they make healers included? By making the content hard? Can you imagine doing any of OC without a healer? Even when the next DLC and Gear was released? But players are bad and so they had to nerf nerf nerf nerf. Because this game is casual and is a business.

Yes. I want to see SP. They don't. Making it optional whether you want to show it or not is a compromise. Are you sure you know what are you sure you know what _____ means? means?

I've said the same thing before, or implied it, you just don't read.

"SP is irrelevant". Wrong. It makes your character stronger and can be an indicator of experience. With more information you get more efficiency. If you can honestly sit there and say being efficient means lucking into a good group then you are crazy.

"When you have the proper tools it is not random" Exactly. This is a proper tool. This is a tool that helps you gain information.

"It is never your fault" Never said that. It is not my fault if random is random. Why? because random is random. Thats like saying its my fault I didn't get the drop I wanted. I should have controlled the RNG, right?

"Sorry but this is confirming" How? Oh you aren't going to actually argue your point? How hypocritical.

"Your friends inability" All wrong. SP is important. Lying gives you wrong information. You are claiming a lack of group forming skills based on wanting information? So you thinking "group forming skills" is taking the first people that respond? That is random. That is not efficient. Any success your group has you had no real control over and was completely random.

"Bring results" See, knew you didn't know what it means. Being effective means bringing results. Being efficient means bringing those results with in a well organized, consistent, quick, maximum productivity and competent way. Something randomness can't guarantee.

So again. You are saying getting random people and completing a mission fast is something that efficient people do without explaining anything. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

tule your arguing that he hassles on public groups sp and cr monitoring would bring are worth it. The fact is if you start content and pay attention to what happens in the group you will get all the information you need faster than inspecting every member of a group. Just join a league if you want every pug run to be a league run.

No kicking Button NOOOOOO!!!
Man no easy solution... mhmmm. mhmmmm Displaying SP but Removing Kicks I'm at ODDS,

I do see problemas when you get kicked with the final boss,
The moment of maximum/final frustration

First, you don't want to see SP, you want to Run with People Who Knows the Game,

We Don't Want You to Check our PRIVACY and... that's totaly FINE!!! But Also we Don't like Potential Tool Bullies Mechanichs;

This is totally the WRONG WAY! you haven't even given a proper argument that there are no Better Tools to Form Groups, but assuming knowing the SP is the only one you can HAVE,

If you are just meeting person, Do better Job at Forming the Group don't be Lazy,

You're right. Forming a group, then running the content, then finding out their both bad and undergeared is faster than getting a group that is geared and you know will beat the content even if they are bad because the content is easy. Oh wait, it isn't.

You haven't given a proper argument on anything. Probably ever.

More information = more intelligent decisions. But I'm guessing intelligence isn't your strong point. There you go again, insulting, making false assumptions, and just being all around wrong.

I have 177 SP (about to be 178 after i get the 1,000 treasure chest feat just 40 more)
Will I get kicked because you want someone with 180 to be in your group?

OC being nerfed is a side effect of it being too difficult for certain people i agree. But as far as content is concerned you are exactly right. It is a business. And because of that very reasoning, the developers must do what they can to usher in more players and more profit. By lowering the difficulty casual players are able to experience it, not just the hardcore players. And in turn, dc rakes in more revenue. And no i cant imagine doing dox or nexus without a healer as those raids are designed differently than most.

And if i "get what i want" im denying people? The only thing im "denying" by expressing my opinion is another way for egotistical minded people to exclude a player based of sp. No one else has a right to know if i dont want to share. And if you want to know you can just ask. I get what you're trying to get at but you aren't acknowledging the division that would come with something like this. The reason im totally against it is because i believe everyone should get to play what they want. Casual or hardcore, doesnt matter. Even if "what you want" isnt denying players, people will always find something meant to be used helpfully and abuse it.

The roleless buffs for example were meant for groups lacking a role, but people used that to their advantage as a way to fufill their wishes/ ideals. Im not trying to take away choices but trying to limit options by which players are discriminated and excluded by. Basically, leave it as it is now. As of now we've already got power, role, cr, gear, and Sp number exclusion. Why should it be made easier for someone to do such?

I would kick you because you fail to understand things around you.

you said

Let me phrase this a different way give me 1 troll and 1 healer i know and ill take a low level pub group thru any content in this game because me and those i play with are able to account for others shortcomings. There is not content hard enough to warrant sp investigations in this game. If the four of you are all above t4 you are doing it wrong please find a league and learn from them.

Your opinion is you don't want this to happen? If you don't want this to happen you are denying people the option. That is a straight line of reasoning. That is a fact. There is nothing to argue there. I don't care about other reasons or side effects, I am saying you would be denying that and for some reason you just won't agree to a simple fact.

I am acknowledging player divide. I am acknowledging that it already exists. And this will not change that, other than help sift out liars. So people can play with who they want to play with.

Imao. I understand a lot of things. Enough to know that SP being visible to the public will result in players getting judged in a negative way.

When Dox came out I would like you do take 1 troll and 1 heal and beat it with 6 randoms.

Have a league. I've beaten all content in the game. With ease. (Well, haven't gotten to try survival mode yet). This is not something I am wanting for myself. I am saying it is a good option to have for people who do want to use it.