Hi all. I used to play DC back when first game out then stopped for awhile due to RL issues and i came back sometime ago to play with my brother. It was a blast but i had to yet again leave. Finally i find myself in a position to come back and hopefully for a longer duration lol. Iv been reading the forums and how things have progressed, the tests devs have done to try get input form community such as the kick vote disable to test how it would effect community. I probably get bashed for this ,but seeing just how much everyone cares about the scoreboard, constantly checking it and bragging about it and their dps (which dps seems be the big issue these days from what iv read) what if they disabled the board for a short time like the vote kick....Just to give players a chance to judge each others performance and i think it would make the dps actually try to focus on other things then dps cause they wont constantly be looking at scoreboard and trying chase it. This is just a thought nothing more but think be a good way to try and get people to focus on more then dps,and maybe just maybe without consantly looking at numbers and seeing the raid/alert is still getting complete no matter what the numbers are might encourage people to be more open to powers/combinations in those instances instead trying stack as much dps as possible. As well as help with dps pointing fingers saying its his fault/her fault. It be more based on watching others as the raid/alert progresses seeing who is doing what and pointing out what they are doing wrong / could do to improve in stead of just screaming im doing fine look at scoreboard were as they maybe top in dmg but constantly dying and soaking up all the heals/power from others. Though too i know this be bad cause in sense be hard to judge at times who is holding the team back but in most cases i think it be obvious by watching surroundings and those around you,make people be more self aware. I'm not sure how most feel on this but just a thought devs could do a brief experiment just to try it then aftewards think of ways to improve scorebard to better show contribution, such as showing what each person is in raid (dps/tank/heals/troll) and on front page showing thier primary contribution to raid. Dps could show dmg done,power in, and assists (which include objectives AND player pickups) so you could see if the dps is doing more then just dps cause we know most just look at that first page and done. Healers be about same total heals,power in, and assists. Trolls dmg done,power out, assists ( i say dmg here cause trolls should atleast do little dmg ). The only hard one really would be tank , you could do the assists and maybe dmg,but the main one for that roll would have to based off taunt or maybe dmg in but sadly some tanks just flat take more dmg then others based on power so that im not sure of yet. Well sry for long post but im really looking forward to get back into game just unclear were to start now lol. Ty for all who read and take care. PS: i know alot of the things i mentioned are on the scoreboard but a better oraganization and putting on front page probly help alot then haveing to scroll through it and find the stat you are looking for.
Since devs are doing experiments, I say why not. Disable the scoreboard for 2 weeks and see what happens.
Oh, just imagine the gnashing of teeth and angst that would take place if they timed a "disable the scoreboard" experiment with the Spring Seasonal coming in stat-clamped. Seriously, though, it would be interesting to see how the community would react to a disabled scoreboard.
It may be beneficial to the community for them to remove the scoreboard, because people may actually pay attention to the team and do the objectives instead of killing things needlessly and hindering progress.
Or....how about a personal scoreboard that pops up. If said dps has ran said instance many times, they can let them know if their dps has improved or if their has dropped a bit. But I don't mind your idea, there won't be enough popcorn in the world to satisfy me if that happened.
I'd love for this to happen. I doubt it will ever happen though. Definitely feel like DPS need to learn "team mechanics" over scoreboard chasing. I do feel a deathchart should still be available.
Don't see why. FFXIV doesn't have scoreboards but its quite obvious when your burn is sub-par. Scoreboard serves a limited point, but not in its current incarnation. I'm all for a disable for 2 weeks test. Game didn't die from lack of kicking, I'm sure it will live through a lack of scoreboard.
People would just kick based on cr then. You have four dps a 111,112,113, and 114 and there is a damage issue. The 111 is going to be kicked without a scoreboard. But the scoreboard would have shown the 113 is lower then a controller. It is true some dps do ignore everything that will slow down there damage but that is usually easy to see and the team can decide if something needs to be done or said.
I agree that should be a stat added to scoreboard is death count, i mean even if top in dps,if you die 10 times compared to everyones 1 or 2 times,think how much that takes away from team far as heals,power,time, wipes extra. True too "X-zero" people will be quick to judge based on cr,but when the vote kick is initated,if the cr 114 is constantly dieing and yet the cr 111 isn't dying and doing pickups/objectives and the others see it the kick could be declined instead of just going with flow and clicking accept like normal based on the dps chart. Again these just ideas/thoughts not saying it good or bad just like to do some testing to see results as with vote kick thing. If anything could provide valuable input as what could help improve the group experience as what they did with that test. But yea there will always be those who are like he low cr its his fault,no matter even if couldnt see cr they look at gear and see that but it could help minimize that. Just my thoughts though everyone welcome to ideas and opinions and its great to hear yalls feedback on this ty all .
Yeah, or people would use the census data to find out who had low skill points. That said, I had a 103 dps in Necro/Aritifacts today who had 52 skill points, barely out-dps'd the controller in the raid, and then claimed that skill points don't matter because he tops the scorecard all the time (who's he playing with?). Maybe the removal of the scorecard would help with the other DPS players who think they're good when they're not, too?
Did you ever actually look at the scoreboard? There is more on it than Damage out. Death count is already there.
Interseting idea but what about statuaries? I hear they were bugged to hell when they first launched. There may be a risk of no scoreboard messing with the statues again.
I fully support this suggestion...not as a permanent thing...but as a limited period test it would prove extremely interesting to the entire community.
I DPS all the time and 70-80 % of the time I worry more about my team then ever worry about how much damage I'm doing, and the funny part is when I PUG I almost 90% of the time still end up on top even after multiple pick ups, grabbing switches per say and also watching to drop supply drops for healers or tanks. So that being said if we are all experimenting I say LET'S DO IT and maybe find we don't need a scoreboard at all. Someone else mentioned why not have a PERSONAL SCORECARD and I think that is one of the most BRILLIANT IDEAS on these forums to date. All we really need is something to judge ourselves by and quit worrying about what the OP are doing. You will always be able to tell whom may be bringing the group down by watching what is happening throughout the instance. If buddy drops every 2 seconds, probably not much help, or if buddy is just standing or running around and doing nothing, well point said.
The only problem I have with no scoreboard is finding out which DPS to kick if damage is poor. For example, a week ago I was in throne, I was tanking (rage BTW). So after like 6waves of adds, I noticed that Ares was still like 90%health. The ESS had been burned 4times. Easy to point that burn wasn't there. With the help of the scorecard, we saw only one DPS was doing damage, (surprisingly, he was doing everything you could ask for) and still had like 3x the 2nd DPS. So for instances like that, a damage scorecard would be somewhat needed. While I like the personal scorecard, people will lie so you don't kick them.
