If people at that level are hitting the same as you than you are doing something very wrong. They stated multiple times that you are being clamped down to the cr of the enemies. You are getting stamped down yes but not to that same level. So you will have better stats than those just reaching that content.
And what is competent? Know how to “hot swap”? We have been repeatedly told we will only have 3 artifact slots, but some players bypass that. If they want the extra benefit of a fourth or fifth supercharge artifact, then during a battle they quickly open their inventory - swap in the SC style artifacts - close inventory - release SC to get benefits - then re-open inventory and swap artifacts again. These players are breaking your system, and the response from the dev team has been to design content where it’s required! DPS elite Grail before her omega beam goes off? Try that at-level without something like hot swapping. Out gearing content is the way to achieve the feat without doing that.
Bounties is probably the opposite example of what you mean though, since in the new system all players will get full marks for bounties with no lockouts, I expect to see a lot of players farming bounties for the fast marks. To your point though, this will probably mean less players running old raids for marks since the bounties reward the same amount of source marks but take significantly less time than a clamped raid.
There were plenty of players getting the feats you're referring to before artifacts ever existed and when SP capped out at 200. Outgearing wasn't ever a requirement for earning a feat, it was a requirement for cheesing it without effort.
Do you even play? I was in Odyssey for years and saw you log in maybe twice. You’re talking about a game you don’t even know anymore.
I think the poster you quoted meant you'll never hit anything harder or be stronger health wise than what you're clamped to..no matter which tier, you will never be able to hit anything harder than where the clamp maxes out..hence no power growth in the game There will now be nowhere in the game where you are stronger than the max clamp even if you take current endgame..eventually when it becomes "not-endgame" you will never hit anything harder or have more survivability than the max clamp So..no real power growth in the game whatsoever
The problem with this response is that it is a major revolution to this game; it completely goes against the way the game has worked for ten years now. Your response doesn't suggest great awareness of just how huge a change you are proposing here. It would completely change the way people have played old instances now for many years, even before the CR-relevancy-rules which came before the Stats Matter days. I recognize that the original intent ten years ago was never to let players get so powerful as to breeze through instances, but that nevertheless is the way the game has worked since CR went that high, many years ago, and changing that now is not some minor thing to be mentioned relatively in passing. After all, I can't count the number of times you have responded to complaints about contemporary instances being too difficult to get feats and what you've said are variants of "well, you can always go back later to get those done." But now that would be much more difficult under the new proposals. I strongly recommend soliciting and listening closely to player feedback on any and all clamping/up-leveling innovations. This goes equally for any notions of changing how bounties work. Clamping them/up-leveling them would be another dramatic change to how the game has dealt with bounties. I think y'all need to clearly understand what precedents you've set and how much or little players will be upset by past precedents going out the window. Clamping has always been a subject wildly disagreed about and you'll never please everyone, but this is not far from the degree of changes STAR WARS GALAXIES made, and we all know how THAT went. I very much don't want to see DCUO make drastic changes without long and hard discussions with the player base as best as possible. In general, being conservative about making major precedent-breaking game-changing decisions is probably a good idea. Players' experience has always been that progression means being super-super powerful later in the game should always be considered in any such decisions. Breaking expectations could potentially go down very badly. You know how much we tend to over-react.
Do you know what stat clamp actually does cause by the way you are describing it it seems like you don’t. There will be stats clamped yes. But there is no set stats clamp. Meaning you will always hit X amount. They have said MULTIPLE times that when you are downgraded you will be put to a point that is still above what the cr for that set is. If you are fighting an enemy with cr100 the stats clamp will not put you to cr 100. It will put you above it probably 2 dlcs above it. So you will be higher than those who are just entering or those who are at that cr for that fight. I’m other words you will still be over leveled for that fight. Just not to the point of one shotting thing. Look at wonderverse. We are 2 DLC ahead of it (31st century, and flashpoint). If you go back to that raid you will not be able to one shot it but you will still outclass the content. Same with 31st century which we are just 1 dlc above. We can not one shot things there but we still outclass it. So even if they only put us 1 dlcss worth of cr ahead we will still outclass anyone in that dlcs. So if someone is just getting into that dlc is hitting as hard as you than yes that’s an issue with you and not the stats clamp.
The issue with getting feedback is that most of the complaints are coming from people who just want to steamroll old content and one shot things. The people complaining aren’t even looking to give feedback. They just want an easy way to get feats. The devs even said countless times that people will still be at a higher point compared to the enemies, just not enough to instantly nuke them. Whether people like it or not this is something that is needed for a healthy community. Old players going back and nuking everything means new players never learn anything. They get to end game and can’t beats anything so they turn around and ask for easier content. The devs have to take this into account when deciding difficulty levels for new content. Older players then find new content to easy and leave. New players become old players and their skill level now determines the highs and we have a bad cycle. Like it or not, doesn’t really matter. With the new membership benefits and F2P getting access to more of the game it’s also an important step to give these new players a proper experience if you want them to stay. And you should want them to stay because a healthy game population means the game stays open for longer.
No one is saying it's going to put us at the exact same level as the content..the person you quoted did not say that.. But there will be a level that you will not be able to surpass stats wise based on the content that you are in..you will never be able to surpass that level in that specific content..that's what the clamp means..that means you will never be able to be stronger in that content than what the clamp allows..no matter how much you progress, upgrade your gear, etc Hence..again..no real power growth in the game whatsoever
I believe they've said that. Long ago in the distant past, they have also said being able to choose between phases was problematic. If there is enough of a demand for something and they have the right people, it should be possible.
I know exactly what i'm talking about. You don't want feats, you want a participation trophy. Feats require time and skill. Time enough to play and learn the content, skill enough to execute the requirements for the feat. Sounds like what you're arguing for is for time investment to reward feats regardless of skill. This is the sentiment i'm hearing: "If I play long enough, I should get feat points for free" Why don't we just remove the feat list entirely and reward 25 feat points every day a player logs in then?
So just screw everyone elses experience because you want to 1 shot a boss? Youll be stronger then new players within the clamp, sheesh. Yall act like the world is ending because you cant 1 shot a raid boss in a group of 8 people..
This....this right here. The whole point of getting more powerful is to make things a bit easier. 200 artis vs 120. 342 gear vs 322. I 100% agree that you SHOULD be able to get the 11 min feat in COUE day 1, but we all know it's not really possible....but a month later, with 23 head augs + 10 or 12 CR, another handful of SP and better Artis...it will be easier. A DLC later, even easier, etc... Hence that statement above...."go back and get them later". Except now there is a cap on how far you can be 'better' than minimum. So maybe it should be 'go back and get them later, but if you can't get them by X differential, I guess give up cause you aren't going to get any stronger'. Should be interesting the next month or so as people pound through old feats. Guess that will help queue times on difficult content after the change too, right?
If you NEED to go back and destroy bosses in one swing, do it in a single player game where your experience doesn't effect 7 others who may want to actually experience the raids as they were designed, or 1 shot a world boss.
Actually most people who dislike the clamp have always said 'as long as it's optional...sure'. I'm not opposed to a clamp being in the game, just not all the time in every run (save the 'current' eps)....and yes, I have just as much a right to enjoy the game my way as you do yours. At least today you have an option to do so (made groups)....that option is being taken away for those opposed to the clamp. The hardline clampers are basically saying 'so screw everyone else because I'm bad at farming source and need it in ALL content'....or ...'to heck with anyone who doesn't have the time to sit in 8 or 9 year old runs if there's something they actually need in there'. I'm not sure if you were here 5 or 6 years ago when they tried this before, but 1 shotting bosses was not a problem then, but finishing the raid in a group of at level toons really was. Many runs were harder than they originally were...we'll see how it goes this time. You do realize that this could be said the opposite of people wanting a clamp right? And again, today there is an option....in a month, not so much.
Then as I stated in another thread - Why bother grinding gear? Why bother keeping up a mainframe? Why bother keeping up league proficiencies? Why bother leveling artifacts? Why bother leveling the new ally system? These things take a lot of time (and in some cases a lot of money), but they certainly don’t show your “skill”. It’s just a long, long merciless, mind numbing grind. We can just join you in not participating.
Don't try to put words in my mouth.. I was talking about power growth...and there will no longer be any..stronger than the new players?..the point is that I should be way stronger than the new players..BECAUSE I WORKED FOR IT..because I've been been playing the game for 9+ years..because I have 2000+ feats and the SP that comes with it..because I spent a crapload of time leveling artifacts to 200..because I'm actually at endgame..actually one shotting a raid boss has little to do with it..it's just a by product of progression..but if I want to try to solo an older open world bounty when I've progressed further in the game..I think all the time and effort I put in should earn me that right..it won't be possible now..if I want to go back and slam Darkseid in DWF because that raid was such a pain in the *** well past level..I think the time and effort I put in should earn me that right
I'm talking about you verses you, not you verses others. If you have maxed out current content you will be better than you were when you started the current content. But for any lower content it will basically be as if you had maxed out for that content no matter what you have done in the current content. Basically everything much below you will be the same. It will be like you never got past it. You will be playing all content at the top end of the episode, no higher. You might as well not have 300+ cr levels and the massive stats you worked to build up. I'm sure that's the next step. Stat and level squishes are inevitable when they stop being meaningful.
