Throne of the Dead is un PUGable

Sounds like it just became a cake walk. Wonder if the changes are forever in the clamped version. I'd be sad but no real reason to run it anyway

Ok there is a patch going out tomorrow:
That last one may make this not hell for more groups.
Server Hotfix - October 23, 2021

Save the Universe
Throne of the Dead

• Omnibus Mode: The Essence of War will no longer Heal Proc when hit.
• Normal Mode: Decreased Essence of War’s Heal Proc when hit by non-tanks.
• Normal Mode/Omnibus Mode: Essence of War no longer Heals when too close to Ares.
• All Modes: Only players will trigger the Essence of War’s Heal Proc. Pets, Allies, etc. no longer trigger it.

This raid was always poorly designed and I can explain why. The programmers mandate that two tanks are needed to separate bosses, two healers are needed in case one gets teleported, but then they added the random transformation of those critical roles into shades during battle. They made failure random even if you predefined a perfect group. Stupid idea.

These days they react much faster than they did in the past, that's nice

The raid will only be available for roughly one month.

They pretty much have to react much faster.... otherwise by the time they would react.... the raid would be gone.

Also.... odds are if they are reacting that fast.... odds are no one was playing the raid...... or no one could complete the raid.

Either way.... with the Save the universe missions being a limited event.... they have to react fast fast fast.

Did Throne with my League last night before the hotfix on Regular. Boy even with two Tanks knowing the mechanics it was still pretty frustrating. We had some random who just had to hit the Essence a few times. Good times

Throne is easy unless you have some random who ignores chat and pounds on Essence.
DPS hitting Essence heals Ares.
Simple mechanics which many that play today have no clue about at all.

The event version's now pugable, at least.

Only took like 7 years for this update…….

Let us know how it feels after the changes. My hopes are that it's definitely more puggable in Omnibus, much more bearable in Normal StU and still hard in Elite (Omnibus and StU elite). The heal in StU Normal was reduced from 15 to 5 percent and with pets no longer triggering it, that means someone is wailing on the Essence at least 20 hits before it's healed up to full. So don't do that.

At least the heal is slower when someone is just going off on Essense and no pets are helping that heal proc go off even more. We can do a few more tweaks here and there that don't involve complex additions or reworking phases so any other feedback on some easier adjustments is welcomed.

Can you bring back the quantum glitch? That’s what made this raid fun when it was released.

It's probably best just to remove the Essence healing mechanic entirely from all difficulty levels. It's just not needed in this raid.

and.... did the Standard difficulty last night in one straight run after being invited into a random group @ Essence.

So... time to try the other one...

This raid was a terrible choice.

Request: Can we get the credit for raid completion right after Hades get KOed? Currenly we get credit after watching that long cutscene at the end of Throne of the Dead raid.

Same thing implemented to Inner Sanctum; we got credit when Brother Eye get KOed. It was a nice addition.

You people cry and complain about everything man. This raid has always been difficult rather it was reg or elite. It’s call “learn the mechanics”, if you go into a group where the tanks don’t know what exactly to do then explain it, it’s a no brained. People is so used to be carried through these very simple so called elite raids that has no mechanics that they don’t understand what real difficulty should be in an elite raid in what’s suppose to be the pinnacle of end game. What so you think we did back when this raid came out, you had to teach mechanics to the people that didn’t know them it’s that simple, stop crying about things being too difficult that’s the point. This isn’t even the main episode, no new gear or anything this raid is here literally just for the challenge and experience at a higher lvl.

Well its definitely puggable in reg now. Had 2 players refusing to stay off the essence and tank was still able to eventually burn it down. 4 times. So slow as molasses but at least it's close to foolproof. 3 tanks in a pug group was odd but better than only having one. Was actually the same makeup as elite, 3 tanks, 2 heals, 1 troll, 2 dps.

Im in for high difficulty on elite raids but this first boss of the raid does not have any complicated or high skill based design, people dont fail this boss because its so complicated but because they dont have the insane meta abusing DPS groups and buff trollers,eog spammers.

Go into the elite raid without a buff troller,gadget prec dps,eog spamming and tell me how much harder it gets to pass the first boss ill be waiting for your response .

Damage dealers should never influence the difficulty on elite raids groups like yours are the only ones who benefit from such designs because all your groups do is as much damage as possible to bypass the difficulty as quickly as possible (the longer the fight the higher the likelyhood of someone dying) you do not experience any meaningfull sort of difficulty of any content if you have 3x times more single target damage then other groups who dont use meta things.