Producer's Letter: State of the Stats Revamp!

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  1. Katnikov Executive Producer

    State of the Stats Revamp!

    Hello again everyone!

    The Stats Revamp is live, and we are incredibly thrilled with the response thus far. Change is never easy, however with it comes a new foundation for DCUO that puts it in a good place for the future. Recently, we also announced the upcoming launch of the Water Power Set, and our next two Episodes, Riddled with Crime and Earth 3, at San Diego Comic Con. And we hope to have more updates very, very soon on all these efforts and others! We cannot wait to show you everything we’ve been working on!

    That said, and as expected, we are getting TONS of feedback now that we are live. We have been reviewing this feedback carefully. One thing that I stressed to the team, and that I did not want to make the mistake of doing, is reacting too quickly before fully understanding the feedback and how to address the core of the problems. Often, an issue may seem obvious and you fix that thing, just to realize later that the issue wasn’t really what you thought it was at all, and you now have a brand new set of problems.

    Your Feedback

    So about that feedback! Yep, you’ve been vocal. We are totally listening. For starters, it’s great to hear people note that they feel the power sets are well balanced, how varied loadouts and abilities are, and seeing stats and gameplay mechanics actually matter!

    We still have some work to do however. We have noted some of the most constructive feedback is coming from players feeling content is too hard or takes too long, or from those feeling your characters are less powerful. This feedback manifests itself broadly in different ways, and the specifics vary from player to player.
    • Veteran players feel it in the time it takes to complete end-game content.
    • Most players feel it when returning to content that they have out-leveled. Previous content that may have been trivial for a player at a certain level is not trivial anymore, making it more difficult and making it take longer.
    • Newer or more mid-game players feel it in on-level group content, noting generally that most things seem hard or too hard now.
    • Players not participating in all of the new or revitalized progression systems – skill points, mods, generator mods, mainframes, etc. - are feeling all of the above a little bit more than everyone else.
    SOME of this is good. Gameplay mechanics exist for a reason – they are a key part of the fun and the challenge of the game – and pre-revamp too many of them could be entirely ignored. Many of you are adjusting to and relearning these mechanics you never noticed or have forgotten, and that is good long term and especially in the most advanced end-game content.

    SOME of this is not as good. We don’t want newer or mid-game players struggling through challenges, and we want everyone to feel that progress and character strength noticeably increase. So, onto our plans!

    In The Short Term

    So, having heard this key feedback, here are our immediate plans to address these areas of concern.
    1. Our content design team is refocusing to live playtesting and making content adjustments across the game with a focus on the middle tiers.
    2. We will adjust NPC stats lower in the earlier parts of the game lower, making more generous assumptions about how quickly and when players will fully be participating in ALL avenues of progression.
      • Both of the above should address concerns from players struggling when on-level AND from players struggling or taking too long when returning to out-leveled content.
    3. We will adjust some of the roleless buffs in alerts to better enable 4-player groups of any combination to tackle content and to make the buffs more equal to each other.
    4. We will update the vault to drop scaling gear.
    In The Medium Term

    Looking a little bit further out, your feedback has reminded us it’s time to finish updating the whole game’s gear and progression systems to modern content standards. We will (finally) rework the vendor currencies in the earlier parts of the game to match more closely our current end-game, in an effort to more holistically introduce all players to these new avenues of progression and alleviate lingering frustrations.
    1. We will standardize early and mid-game vendor gear sets so that these sets are the best gear available in their content or tier (best-gear-on-vendor).
    2. We will implement unique vendor currencies for tiers 1-7, and update gear costs.
    3. We will add the vendor discount system to tiers 1-7, for obtaining additional gear sets or gear on alts (in conjunction with the feat unlock system).
    4. We will drop some (older) gear mods directly in content to make baseline modding more accessible.
    5. We will add a universal mod removal kit (both for marks and in the marketplace) that will make transferring mods much easier.
    In The Long Term

    So what about the long term? Bam, here’s more!

    We’ve made stats matter and therefore Skill Points are in demand. Arguably, if you’ve not been chasing those points, you might not know the best way to go about earning more. Additionally, those that have a high Combat Rating but few skill points may feel like they are less powerful now, which is exacerbated by content also being more challenging.

    We assumed, and many of you assumed, that content felt harder after the revamp because players didn’t have the skill points they needed. After careful review, this really isn’t the case. The core of the issue is the content and that’s why it comes first in the plan. (This is precisely what I meant by waiting to understand the core before addressing an issue.)

    However, navigating our Feat system is a...feat...in and of itself. It is difficult at best to decipher what feats mean, or where to go and what to do to complete them. They're achievements, and fit in that perspective, but it can become frustrating when achieving those feats is part of your progression.

    In the long term, we will be exploring ways to solve this problem, both in improving the clarity of feats and in eventually providing other avenues to gain skill points. MORE ON THAT LATER!

    For now, let me sign off by saying again that we appreciate your participation and all of your patience as we work to make DCUO the best it can be.


    Leah "Katnikov" Bowers
    Lead Producer
    DC Universe Online


    P.S. Oh, also? We TOTALLY hear you about how tedious it can be to re-spend skill points one at a time. COMING SOON:

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  2. Jacob Dragonhunter Steadfast Player

    Instant like the minute I saw this:

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  3. Crimson Mayhem Loyal Player

    Super That's cool.
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  4. WilderMidnight Steadfast Player

    Not happy.
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  5. Fatal Star 10000 Post Club

    Do roleless buffs really need to be stronger though? You can already keep the most power consuming rotation going on just the roleless troll buff.



    Also is there no further plans to try to make healers and trolls as versatile as tanks?
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  6. light FX Steadfast Player

    Ty for some clarification on things. Also for the adjustments. I also hope this will stop the "everything is fine" stuff because obviously after reading this^ some adjustments are needed. Looking forward to what other changes u guys have coming. Not sure how i feel about scaling gear in the vault tho. Vault needs an update but not sure that is the correct update. We shall see i guess.

    Also some of the powers do need some tweaks. I hope u guys do look into this. Agreed that mechanics should matter. But a 201 player shouldnt have issues in a raid 4-5 ties below them. Its just silly. Mechanics should not be ignored. But in some lower instances even obeying the mechanics was resulting in things taking far too long and being a tad too difficult. Especially for at level groups like ya stated.

    Im guessing the each tier getting its own currency will remove cr relevancy? If so ty for this. There really wasnt a point for the relevancy anymore. I also hope u guys consider updating the rare style vendor with cross faction dlc styles. And updating vendor costs for the older tiers to reflect the 50% discount, does this mean no more vendor 00?

    I like the idea of the universal mod kit. But id rather see it ingame only. I feel the mark cost is going to be too high ingame for it because its on the MP. And if im being honest the "other avenues to obtain skill points" worries me. Because i feel u guys may end up putting feats/sp on the market place. Really hope that does not happen. Lastly the speccing sp thing is a great. Its badly needed. Ty for that :)
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  7. SteelMachineZero Well-Known Player

    Please leave it as it is, making changes to make things easier is how we ended up where we were before stats revamp, and now we start the back slide back to it, Only change i would think needed is maybe separate might and power so we can get power points for our builds
  8. Celestial Powers Committed Player

    4 Star Feat:

    Viewed every feat in the feat menu!
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  9. BumblingB I got better.

    So is a mark conversion going to help the players that would return to lower tiers right now? I like the changes of tier unique marks. The unification back in 2012 was a bad idea, but I feel that this will cause issues for people within the middle phases? And I'm not talking about gearing up either.

    Like that you are revisiting the vault. Finally, after how many years?
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  10. Jacob Dragonhunter Steadfast Player

    I'm wondering though, how will this affect the Rare and Older Style Vendors?
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  11. SocratesGS Well-Known Player

    I'm not really thrilled about two of the things being implemented in the mid term (sound better than medium term imo).
    The vault update doesn't really sound like what people wanted, but I guess time will tell.
    "We will implement unique vendor currencies for tiers 1-7, and update gear costs" sounds like a horrible idea.

    No word on the removal of relevancy bands or things like power return at the test dummies. :( I would hope the new currencies are rewarded to all players, otherwise how can they go back and complete vendor gear sets? It would be seriously disadvantageous to only get 3 marks in a raid while working towards what is essentially a style feat for out of band players.
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  12. Mepps Sr. Community Manager


    The focus is on making the other two a bit better, and perhaps reducing some of the strength of the controller roleless. Details are TBD.
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  13. Mepps Sr. Community Manager

    We'll have a conversion plan, or a plan that negates the need for conversion, once we get there. No details yet.
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  14. Mepps Sr. Community Manager

    We will likely have no need for the old style vendor once currencies are restored, but we'll review.
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  15. SocratesGS Well-Known Player

    That's no bueno!
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  16. Jacob Dragonhunter Steadfast Player

    Question: With the new currency system being planned does that finally mean Content Relevancy is out the window now?..
  17. Mepps Sr. Community Manager


    Like the currencies you see at end-game in Amazon Fury Part III or Age of Justice, these individual currencies would not have any sort of relevancy window.
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  18. Mepps Sr. Community Manager

    Marks of Victory will still exist (just not for vendor gear) in this plan, and will continue to have relevancy. Other currencies will not.
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  19. SocratesGS Well-Known Player

    Ok, that sounds much better.
  20. pitbullb3 Devoted Player

    The devs think powers are balanced and loadouts and abilities are varied. Nothing about looking at power balance
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