GU50, Tunso Testing, and Player Testing

Is there a trick to getting a league hall? I created a lair, placed some items, and activated my generator/mainframe, then re-entered my lair-- but I only got about 100 prestige for it, and all the league hall locations cost 25000.

Grab a few of the gear boxes and tribute the gear right next to the teleporter in the watchtower/hall of doom.

On PC Test, grab some base decoration boxes from the PC Test vendors. Place about 30 items in a base. Walk out. Create a league. Walk in. On PC Test they drastically scaled up the rewards for having base decorations. You'll be at max.

You may have to disband and recreate your league if you already created it. Having a league of one for baseline toons is ideal to not share targets or have someone buy progiciencies underneath you.

Thank you for the response Sore. I'm not thinking about testing for dev power "balancing", which I agree makes sense on PC test. I'm just thinking of myself and other players on live that want to test and compare loadouts and rotations. I would like to do my testing without having the CR differential formula take effect, so I would like to have the same CR as the sparring target.

Once all the data is collected, the optimal loadouts and rotations need to be shared with the community in a Guide that cannot be posted to, etc..

This way, the info would be available for all.

What are you thoughts on having these guides?

It doesn't sounds like a bad idea but it also sounds like a lot of herding cats. I've included the loadouts and rotations for all my tests. I can't say everyone else has done the same. Right now I'm trying to get everyone to stay energized on the testing effort, e.g. we still need Earth and Sorcery Tunso Tests for after the update. I'm worried about asking testers to put in more effort at risk of turning off those that are contributing / have contributed.

I would hold off on such request until testing is completed for round 1; baseline. Than create baseline top DPS guide. Which should not really change once scaling is put into play.

I'll work on Sorcery and Earth later today. I tested Sorcery a bit and the parser numbers were quite high from what I saw.

I think they intentionally went over the baseline because of how pet damage doesn't scale from baseline. It's almost like a slight dip into phase 2 ahead of time. But still, I think we need to collect the numbers at melee and range so we have something on paper.

I belIeve you're right. I'm very curious to see where sorc and earth sit in the baseline group. Judging by live I am guessing about a +8% of baseline. But as you said that baseline is maximum am potential.

Ultimately it's over the base. It may need a small reduction.
Phase 2 for Sorcery really should include a percentage scalar to the powers used after Offering/Fortify. But that's only to see where and how they all scale. That way WM and AM are both options amd it opens up both trees for both powers.

Since Karasawa is doing Sorcery and Earth, I guess my numbers will not be needed.

From what I understand this testing method doesnt use mods, right? So Pets have to be over the top by default as they wont be affected by your mods that you put on later. If its equal to a non-pet powerset in this testing method it will perform weaker in a real environment with modding, buffs (supply, soders, etc) as your pet won't benefit much from it.

As long pets dont get their benefits from your stats/buffs instead of your CR pet powersets will always be imbalanced throughout the entire content compared to non-pet powersets.

Also pets can die in content (Lashina, anyone?!) while you remain alive which puts a further disparity between other powersets since a pet recall comes with a hugh downtime of power regain for the pet (I do understand the necessary of it because of the glitch and glad its fixed). So we have a unique AM that can actually "die" without a players death.

Elusian is correct. The pets have purposely been tuned higher to compensate for the lack of scaling with mods and SP compared to other powersets.

You certainly shouldn't accept any results from the live servers. I looked into that and it's complexity madness.

There are a lot of reasons to duplicate the tests on live though. Self-improvement and validating the test results are achievable on the real servers are both useful goals. Finding mismatches between test and live can be useful too. I wouldn't reject making the tests easier to duplicate on live as a useless goal, even though those results can't go directly into your testing effort.

I still need range tests for Sorcery and Earth but I'd almost prefer anyone submitting a result to cover both melee and range when they do so that the results are from the same person.

I knew they would have to over buff pets to make then usable but damn. This graph along with the duo destruction pets cause I see nerf cries coming shortly when truth is they are just on par in actual gameplay

Since they are getting preemptive with the scaling concerns, I'm trying to milk them for the scaling methodology/math behind how they approached where they set the mark for Sorcery/Earth. It would help community reaction and expectations coming up.

Since the rebalancing it taking quite some time and some powers get to run loose. How would the community feel if I proposed to disable mid-range/melee bonuses (on live server only) until it gets properly taken care of?
EMP for gadgets would be disabled, arctic gust for ice disabled, fireburst for fire disabled, fury/crystal receive no bonuses if player is in the 12.5m range and so on.
In my opinion it seems kind of unfair to allow some powers to run wild for an extensive amount of time whilst they are being worked on.
Whilst range damage isn't Even Steven it certainly is more balanced than melee (or midrange for some powersets).

Sorcery and earth weren't really fixable without starting into scaling. Maybe we ate at the very start of phase 2 abd it made sense to start there. Nature elec hl celestial are also not fixable without touching into scaling. Pretty much anything with major contributions if multiple damage sources can't be baseline alone.

And while sorc abd earth will need to be touched again this should good for a few months. Looking at the chart they can easily bring up the baseline off the remaining powers while going into the mental rework into regen abd whatever what needs the most scaling help

Sorry for the delay. I'll get to Earth this weekend, but I've done Sorc.

All tests were done with:
8255 might
2796 prec
126 CR
No mods or buffs except Max Damage

Tunso Test - Melee

Loadout: Fury, Offering, Weapon of Destiny, Shard of Life, Circle of Destruction, Soul Well
Weapon: Brawling > Haymaker Combo

01. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 37923/s - 379231 total - 194 hits (13082 max) - 46 (23.7%) crits - 8 targets
02. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 19647/s - 196474 total - 271 hits (9722 max) - 73 (26.9%) crits - 8 targets
03. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 37532/s - 375317 total - 289 hits (13247 max) - 78 (27.0%) crits - 8 targets
04. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 18168/s - 181676 total - 265 hits (9770 max) - 74 (27.9%) crits - 8 targets
05. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 28535/s - 285347 total - 294 hits (13183 max) - 76 (25.9%) crits - 8 targets
06. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 26937/s - 269367 total - 293 hits (9948 max) - 79 (27.0%) crits - 8 targets
07. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 27552/s - 275524 total - 253 hits (12704 max) - 58 (22.9%) crits - 8 targets
08. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 23848/s - 238480 total - 285 hits (9935 max) - 80 (28.1%) crits - 8 targets
09. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 27762/s - 277620 total - 298 hits (18882 max) - 81 (27.2%) crits - 8 targets
10. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 23062/s - 230622 total - 259 hits (9444 max) - 71 (27.4%) crits - 8 targets
11. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 26414/s - 264141 total - 274 hits (11193 max) - 72 (26.3%) crits - 8 targets
12. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 28245/s - 282451 total - 249 hits (9686 max) - 60 (24.1%) crits - 8 targets
13. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 21039/s - 210386 total - 274 hits (10946 max) - 71 (25.9%) crits - 8 targets
14. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 28263/s - 282628 total - 294 hits (11372 max) - 86 (29.3%) crits - 8 targets
15. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 22155/s - 221552 total - 267 hits (9883 max) - 58 (21.7%) crits - 8 targets
16. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 25805/s - 258048 total - 261 hits (12434 max) - 69 (26.4%) crits - 8 targets
17. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 27436/s - 274357 total - 262 hits (9821 max) - 79 (30.2%) crits - 8 targets
18. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 28440/s - 284404 total - 261 hits (12996 max) - 66 (25.3%) crits - 8 targets
19. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20322/s - 203221 total - 288 hits (14752 max) - 69 (24.0%) crits - 8 targets
20. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 27631/s - 276310 total - 276 hits (9877 max) - 75 (27.2%) crits - 8 targets
21. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 27124/s - 271239 total - 279 hits (11266 max) - 72 (25.8%) crits - 8 targets
22. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 33938/s - 339375 total - 256 hits (9870 max) - 66 (25.8%) crits - 8 targets
23. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 21943/s - 219425 total - 265 hits (9901 max) - 76 (28.7%) crits - 8 targets
24. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20224/s - 202235 total - 284 hits (15833 max) - 73 (25.7%) crits - 8 targets
25. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 27732/s - 277315 total - 255 hits (12738 max) - 66 (25.9%) crits - 8 targets
26. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20390/s - 203904 total - 258 hits (9775 max) - 58 (22.5%) crits - 8 targets
27. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 27996/s - 279960 total - 273 hits (9370 max) - 79 (28.9%) crits - 8 targets
28. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 29493/s - 294925 total - 269 hits (12949 max) - 57 (21.2%) crits - 8 targets
29. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 27433/s - 274328 total - 277 hits (9704 max) - 68 (24.5%) crits - 8 targets
30. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 19461/s - 194607 total - 257 hits (9810 max) - 65 (25.3%) crits - 8 targets

Median: 27279
Mean: 26082

Tunso Test - Range

Loadout: See above.
Weapon: Handblaster > Scissor Kick / Solar Flame

01. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 24523/s - 245234 total - 264 hits (11715 max) - 74 (28.0%) crits - 8 targets
02. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 18916/s - 189155 total - 293 hits (6398 max) - 75 (25.6%) crits - 8 targets
03. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 15196/s - 151959 total - 348 hits (6328 max) - 80 (23.0%) crits - 8 targets
04. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 18924/s - 189243 total - 344 hits (12998 max) - 92 (26.7%) crits - 8 targets
05. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 15700/s - 156998 total - 320 hits (6327 max) - 85 (26.6%) crits - 8 targets
06. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 18774/s - 187740 total - 357 hits (6433 max) - 93 (26.1%) crits - 8 targets
07. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 25911/s - 259111 total - 354 hits (8666 max) - 80 (22.6%) crits - 8 targets
08. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 13772/s - 137721 total - 253 hits (7234 max) - 68 (26.9%) crits - 8 targets
09. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20610/s - 206099 total - 370 hits (8469 max) - 89 (24.1%) crits - 8 targets
10. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 14420/s - 144195 total - 301 hits (6261 max) - 71 (23.6%) crits - 8 targets
11. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 18780/s - 187795 total - 301 hits (7098 max) - 96 (31.9%) crits - 8 targets
12. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 14669/s - 146691 total - 339 hits (6522 max) - 73 (21.5%) crits - 8 targets
13. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20056/s - 200558 total - 327 hits (7271 max) - 83 (25.4%) crits - 8 targets
14. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 18408/s - 184080 total - 231 hits (6501 max) - 65 (28.1%) crits - 8 targets
15. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 16051/s - 160512 total - 366 hits (6532 max) - 110 (30.1%) crits - 8 targets
16. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20088/s - 200884 total - 298 hits (6528 max) - 86 (28.9%) crits - 8 targets
17. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20650/s - 206497 total - 299 hits (6511 max) - 79 (26.4%) crits - 8 targets
18. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 12147/s - 121468 total - 311 hits (6317 max) - 76 (24.4%) crits - 8 targets
19. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 19462/s - 194619 total - 297 hits (6463 max) - 78 (26.3%) crits - 8 targets
20. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 14485/s - 144851 total - 293 hits (6426 max) - 73 (24.9%) crits - 8 targets
21. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20157/s - 201568 total - 350 hits (6494 max) - 85 (24.3%) crits - 8 targets
22. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 18576/s - 185758 total - 286 hits (7278 max) - 87 (30.4%) crits - 8 targets
23. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 13817/s - 138166 total - 339 hits (6542 max) - 85 (25.1%) crits - 8 targets
24. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 14970/s - 149704 total - 342 hits (7205 max) - 91 (26.6%) crits - 8 targets
25. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 25315/s - 253152 total - 319 hits (6536 max) - 81 (25.4%) crits - 8 targets
26. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 14398/s - 143977 total - 242 hits (6422 max) - 71 (29.3%) crits - 8 targets
27. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 20026/s - 200262 total - 322 hits (6543 max) - 76 (23.6%) crits - 8 targets
28. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 14429/s - 144290 total - 228 hits (6409 max) - 55 (24.1%) crits - 8 targets
29. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 19226/s - 192260 total - 335 hits (8651 max) - 83 (24.8%) crits - 8 targets
30. 0 [Summary] Damage [10.0s] 25566/s - 255656 total - 285 hits (8542 max) - 80 (28.1%) crits - 8 targets

Median: 18777
Mean: 18267